Hypermotard V2
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That is cleaner than I was expecting. Growing accustomed to seeing modern Ducs festooned with tubes, pipes, and cow bladders
Sochi
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SP version is 
I also wonder if they will offer "wheelie assist" advanced option for wheelie control only in SP version. They did it for single where you can have it only in expensive package with Termi exhaust.
This is the only tech I am dying to try one day....
I also wonder if they will offer "wheelie assist" advanced option for wheelie control only in SP version. They did it for single where you can have it only in expensive package with Termi exhaust.
This is the only tech I am dying to try one day....
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Relax
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First thing I noticed was they brought back the original tank shroud design.
Base model is 13 kg less than outgoing, and SP is 14 less. Is there a torque curve comparison? Biggest probem with the 2nd gen and newer models is lack of torque (compared to the original). Hate to see them go lower with the 890cc motor, but at least it's not as bad as the 821.
Base model is 13 kg less than outgoing, and SP is 14 less. Is there a torque curve comparison? Biggest probem with the 2nd gen and newer models is lack of torque (compared to the original). Hate to see them go lower with the 890cc motor, but at least it's not as bad as the 821.
As a Hyper950 owner, I like it.
Retains the Hypermotard flavour.
Great numbers to back it up as well. Almost 30 lbs lighter than the 950. Holy frack, that's a game changer! I never minded the weight of my bike, but less weight on a hooligan bike is always welcome.
Pleasantly surprised they didn't F it up like the new Monster.
New DesertX also looks like a DesertX.
I think Ducati knows they made a mistake in making such a radical departure with the Monster. Should have named it something else. But also, they already have a vastly superior naked bike already, the Streetfighter V2 cannibalizing its sales. Wasn't needed.
Hyper and DX are back-to-basics for Ducati.
Retains the Hypermotard flavour.
Great numbers to back it up as well. Almost 30 lbs lighter than the 950. Holy frack, that's a game changer! I never minded the weight of my bike, but less weight on a hooligan bike is always welcome.
Pleasantly surprised they didn't F it up like the new Monster.
New DesertX also looks like a DesertX.
I think Ducati knows they made a mistake in making such a radical departure with the Monster. Should have named it something else. But also, they already have a vastly superior naked bike already, the Streetfighter V2 cannibalizing its sales. Wasn't needed.
Hyper and DX are back-to-basics for Ducati.
The monster saved Ducati.... that, I believe is why they will not let the name/bike die.
I do not know why you would by one now.
I saw a cool/uncool implementation on an ebike. You set the desired angle on the screen and whack the throttle open and the bike controls it. It worked well until past 70 degrees and then it made bad decisions.SP version is
I also wonder if they will offer "wheelie assist" advanced option for wheelie control only in SP version. They did it for single where you can have it only in expensive package with Termi exhaust.
This is the only tech I am dying to try one day....
I'm awesome at 12 o'clock wheelies.
This awesomeness extends to 1 o'clock wheelies.
And the party keeps on going till 3 o'clock... at which point I don't think you can call them wheelies anymore if neither wheel is touching the ground...
This awesomeness extends to 1 o'clock wheelies.
And the party keeps on going till 3 o'clock... at which point I don't think you can call them wheelies anymore if neither wheel is touching the ground...
Launchies.
Sochi
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Apparently the newest wheelie control is amazing on new Sup Duke 1390. On the Very High option it allows shift and pull crazy long wheelie without risk of looping (well I'd guess everything has limits). Tehre are a lot of YT videos ppl testing it and pretty much consensus is that if you have enough dough for the tech = no need to sweat learning old fashion way (clutch/rearbrake)... On the other hand, based on owners' testing BMW's wheelie control is total crap - cuts it down for no more than 45-50degrees and not far... I can vouch my Yamaha too - not very good, but def works...
I just hope the Duc's system is good - so far couldn't find anything on YT... BTW post you've seen "wheelie assist" option documented by s/one...
here is the new SupDuc's system testing by Snocco - too bad it's dubbed so translation is not perfect...
BMW led the way on this for a long time, they aren't sweating. The also don't really make a hooligan bike, so..
I normally turn off all the "assists", not sure about how the 698 system works.
One thing I do know is that even with Wheelie Control completely off, the 950 Hyper will not allow clutch-up wheelies. Only power wheelies. If you try to use the clutch, it'll limit the engine so you can't rev it up to bring the front wheel up.
Wonder if the 698 is the same, where you just twist the throttle and ignore the clutch?
Sochi
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From what I've seen on YT it seems BMW's wheelie control very optimized for acceleration and efficiency, so yeah, not for hooligan's style, and it was a year ago when I was actively looking into it, who knows tech these days changes so fast..
here is the vid where poor guy sweating for hours to pull a baby wheelie using that control option, def not even close to KTM's...
Sochi
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Wonder if the 698 is the same, where you just twist the throttle and ignore the clutch?
with good tech (software in the bike brains) it doesn't matter anymore - power wheelie, clutch, no clutch, pump and pull back = all the same - twist the throttle all the way back and bike comes up only to the "predefined" height - but for example on my Yamaha it oly allows it in the air for a "predefined" time, then cuts and puts it nicely down no matter what you do with the throttle. Those "predefined" points is the area where tech is developing now I suppose...
Funny thing is that when I came to new Duc 698 demo last summer: in-charge guy explicitly told me NOT to switch Wheelie Control option or I would be "blacklisted", "prohibited to buy products", etc. etc. - so I just took my money back and left
Same thing was with KTM SAS 1290 - by no means not allowed to turn off Traction Control, ok, SAS is not a bike for fun but distance but Hyper is built for fun, so maybe htey need to do their test rides on "closed circuit" and allow to test all the functionality, just my rant....
with good tech (software in the bike brains) it doesn't matter anymore - power wheelie, clutch, no clutch, pump and pull back = all the same - twist the throttle all the way back and bike comes up only to the "predefined" height - but for example on my Yamaha it oly allows it in the air for a "predefined" time, then cuts and puts it nicely down no matter what you do with the throttle. Those "predefined" points is the area where tech is developing now I suppose...
Funny thing is that when I came to new Duc 698 demo last summer: in-charge guy explicitly told me NOT to switch Wheelie Control option or I would be "blacklisted", "prohibited to buy products", etc. etc. - so I just took my money back and left
Same thing was with KTM SAS 1290 - by no means not allowed to turn off Traction Control, ok, SAS is not a bike for fun but distance but Hyper is built for fun, so maybe htey need to do their test rides on "closed circuit" and allow to test all the functionality, just my rant....
LOL.
Reminds me of the time I was explicitly told not to take the dealer's demo bikes off-road, or my demo privileges would be suspended...
I had to ride their DesertX back to my house to give it a good wash before I returned it...
With the number of bikes crashed on demo days just trying to enter/exit the parking lot, I am not surprised they don't want people doing wheelies. Why learn on my bike when I can learn on yours for free? I could see a possible closed course solution (here's a 50, show me a wheelie and then we'll give you the big bike) but given the hassle and cost, I doubt they will ever do that. I'm actually surprised that demo bikes don't have different firmware flashed to lockout many things.with good tech (software in the bike brains) it doesn't matter anymore - power wheelie, clutch, no clutch, pump and pull back = all the same - twist the throttle all the way back and bike comes up only to the "predefined" height - but for example on my Yamaha it oly allows it in the air for a "predefined" time, then cuts and puts it nicely down no matter what you do with the throttle. Those "predefined" points is the area where tech is developing now I suppose...
Funny thing is that when I came to new Duc 698 demo last summer: in-charge guy explicitly told me NOT to switch Wheelie Control option or I would be "blacklisted", "prohibited to buy products", etc. etc. - so I just took my money back and left
Same thing was with KTM SAS 1290 - by no means not allowed to turn off Traction Control, ok, SAS is not a bike for fun but distance but Hyper is built for fun, so maybe htey need to do their test rides on "closed circuit" and allow to test all the functionality, just my rant....
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We had a huge dirtbike/ADV demo day at a local MX track a couple of years ago.
Every manufacturer was represented by a local dealership, I think there were 15-20 dealers present with brand new bikes. Entrance fee was $20 and you could take out any bike on the track. I took a 125cc 2-smoke with 0 hours on it out on track, bogged it in the first corner and dumped it, broke a brake lever. I was worried I'd have to cover the damage, but when I returned, the demo guy shrugged, and immediately let me take out a 300cc.
I didn't bog that one...
I think with well over 200 people paying $20 each, they probably had a slush fund set up for parts.
Sochi
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here in ONtario I've noticed all demo rides switched to "Charity events" - I think all of them require to "donate" $50 min now, I think "charity" label allows them to avoid having "new bike rental services" taxes (?) and if they only give 1% to charity, the rest can cover their costs - GP Bikes had water and apples adn snack bars at their stand... I don't mind this game and it does cut down number of cheap tire-kickers too, so it was easy to do 2-3 models demo same day as there were less ppl.. I just wish ALL the functionality and tech was allowed to be tested...
