wantsabike
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So when I did that it sparks like crazy and just clicks and gets hot
Did some work on my bike and no start now …
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Bet you the battery is bad.
wantsabike
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How can my battery be bad if when I had it out and it started my other bike no issues ?
A battery that can start my four cylinder car can be "bad" if I rely on it to start my v8 truck. It's all relative. How did the guy test the battery? Load test? Algorithm voodoo (which can be very accurate)? Did we figure out where this bike is yet? A competent troubleshooter that has been through this before can probably get to the heart of your problems in under an hour.
First off, your definition of "no issues" may be a be of an overstatement:
Hardly sounds like "no issues". A larger capacity battery should have started your smaller S40 pronto on the first try, and not have to require 7 cranks.
A battery has two functions: storing energy and releasing it.
You said you just charged up your motorcycle battery last night:
Your battery is holding a short-term charge and is able to release that energy because it is topped up. However, whether it is capable of storing that energy long-term is in doubt.
Had a user on here a few months ago wonder why his battery kept dying on the road. It cranked his motorcycle fine first thing, good voltage, etc. Turns out he was plugging his battery into a tender every night, so of course, when he unplugged it and fired up his bike first thing in the morning, it would turn over no problem. It was topped up with a short-term charge. However, because the battery was old and unable to hold that charge, it would quickly die after the first crank and resting the rest of the day.
Just because your battery is able to release a short-term charge after a night of charging doesn't mean it is capable of storing that charge long-term.
In literature, you're what's known as an "unreliable narrator". The reader needs to make inferences as to what's really happening between the lines on the page.
If I were to guess, you did not perform the jump-start from your car battery correctly.
I am also going to bet your motorcycle battery is no longer capable of holding a charge.
Anyway, my suggestion is to take your motorcycle to someone who is more mechanically competent than you. No shame in that. Nobody is born knowing how to fix a motorcycle.
Relax
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OP, you said you had the starter motor removed at one point and got it to spin, right? We're asking you to do that again, but with the starter motor still mounted to the engine. There is one post/stud on the starter that has a cable attached with a nut. Remove that cable and attach the positive jumper cable from the car battery to it without touching the body of the starter motor or anything else metallic (this is IMPORTANT to avoid a short). Then touch the negative jumper cable from the car battery to either the body of the starter or anything else grounded on the bike. The starter body is the ground, and grounds to the rest of the bike by being attached to the engine, so we're assuming the engine groud wire is good. You know what, just touch the body of the starter in case you have a ground problem. The starter should spin and crank the engine. And this is why you want the bike in neutral otherwise it will roll away from you and you will have other problems.
wantsabike
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wantsabike
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Plugs were in
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wantsabike
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So I’ve been messing around with this again today and this is where Iam at as of now
I removed the left engine case again and everything like I did in the beginning
First test I took the starter out of the bike and hooked it up to my car battery with jumpers and the starter spins
Then I put the starter back into the bike, making sure the mounts were nice and clean, I hooked it up to the car battery with jumpers and it spun when it was mounted to the engine (I had the starter clutch gears out of the way to see if it even spun inside the engine) which it did ya can hear and see it moving
Next test was putting the starter clutch gears back in so the starter would make contact with them. So I hooked up the jumpers to my car and held the starter clutch gears in with. Deep socket to help mimic the case pressed against it. Once the starter had straight power from my car battery it spin the starter and motor over with ease.
So what should I do now ?? Would it be safe to put the case back on and retry the test again ?? Or would I be wise to see if the bike turns over running on it own battery power and system ??
I removed the left engine case again and everything like I did in the beginning
First test I took the starter out of the bike and hooked it up to my car battery with jumpers and the starter spins
Then I put the starter back into the bike, making sure the mounts were nice and clean, I hooked it up to the car battery with jumpers and it spun when it was mounted to the engine (I had the starter clutch gears out of the way to see if it even spun inside the engine) which it did ya can hear and see it moving
Next test was putting the starter clutch gears back in so the starter would make contact with them. So I hooked up the jumpers to my car and held the starter clutch gears in with. Deep socket to help mimic the case pressed against it. Once the starter had straight power from my car battery it spin the starter and motor over with ease.
So what should I do now ?? Would it be safe to put the case back on and retry the test again ?? Or would I be wise to see if the bike turns over running on it own battery power and system ??
Relax
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I found this detailed video on how to remove and replace the cover (and other parts). You didn't remove hte flywheel and have to deal with that split gear, did you?
If everything is meshed properly and spinning, then I'd say it all comes down to replacing the cover STRAIGHT. The stator is a big magnet and will cause the cover to want to go one way or another while mounting, so I usually use dowels (long bolts with the heads cut off) to guide the cover on to keep everything aligned. Also at 4:15 in the video, it warns about a washer that could fall into the case, so check for that if you didn't before.
If everything is meshed properly and spinning, then I'd say it all comes down to replacing the cover STRAIGHT. The stator is a big magnet and will cause the cover to want to go one way or another while mounting, so I usually use dowels (long bolts with the heads cut off) to guide the cover on to keep everything aligned. Also at 4:15 in the video, it warns about a washer that could fall into the case, so check for that if you didn't before.
wantsabike
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Open did not remove any gears or the flywheel no. But yes I did notice last time I had it apart that the cover would go on cock eyed if you don’t watch. As the shift shaft and starter clutch shaft needs to align in the case otherwise the case won’t go back on at all
The case goes back on nice and smooth without any hiccups
Relax
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Another thing I thought of - all the cover bolts you removed were put back in the exact same location? Sometimes a longer bolt is needed in one place, but if you put it in another place and it contacts a moving part, that could cause drag or lock it up. Once the cover is on, I'd test again with no bolts inserted to make sure everything is aligned. Then add the bolts. I make a bolt template/guide like the video, but still sometimes I put the wrong ones in the wrong place when I accidentally skip a hole that's out of sight.
wantsabike
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That’s one thing I do very diligently is set my bolts out exactly as they came out as I learned that lesson years ago the hard way lol
The case in on no bolts, and I did the test with straight power from the car battery to my starter with the jumpers. Still spins as it should
wantsabike
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So everything is all back together on the engine case and gears all lined up. Oil in the engine now and I decided to still check make sure it all spins over when jumped from my car battery right to the starter and it still does as it should.
Here is a clip I took
Here is a clip I took
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Lightcycle has more patience in this thread than I have in my entire body.
OP's posts of inconsistencies and self-contradictions are keeping me and probably others from wanting to join in, and on the sidelines wondering Gene is one of those freaky masochist people.
OP's posts of inconsistencies and self-contradictions are keeping me and probably others from wanting to join in, and on the sidelines wondering Gene is one of those freaky masochist people.
wantsabike
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Nope fuel valve is on
