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2023 MotoGP Discussion (No Links - Contains Spoilers!)

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You guys sure like to bad mouth the guy who constantly gives us amazing races anytime he is involved; the fight with Martin was a prime example of how he is the most exciting racer out there by far!

That HRC was trying to throw him off the bike for 5 straight laps while dueling with a works Ducati: Marc was lucky to get away with just a low side since he was braking so late and sliding it everywhere. His sector 1 corner-speed was almost like seeing Lorenzo in his prime and he was gaining on Martin so much because of that.

That HRC bike is not only violent but it's back to lacking in acceleration again and looks uncomfrertable in the corners unless you take it to the edge like Marc does. HRC/Honda are behind the satellite Aprillia!

I know this place is die-hard Rossi fans, but you guys are seriously going to miss him when he is gone.

The incident with Bagnaia was a racing incident as was the one he had with Mav despite how violent it looked, Bezzechi's was a clear example of overcooking a turn and impeding another rider as he didn't even make the turn himself and pushed Marc way off the track. But he rode incredibly well after that, I honestly think Pecco might be benefiting so much more from Enea being out than anyone else. He doesn't do well under pressure and last year Enea was making it clear he wasn't going to Ducati to be a team player like Jack was.

I really do want to see a healthy Enea take it to him, because I think he may be a one-off champ.

Crazy race from start to finish, with lots of drama; I watched twice already and might watch it again this weekend as I still have yet to watch Moto3. Marini's elbow and knee down recovery was insanity, it sucks he got hit by Alex who was riding way too erratic for my tastes.

Sucks about the 3 week wait.
 
Some scary incidents today. Glad everyone made it out mostly unscathed. That Marquez/Marini clash was especially scary. But what an elbow save it would have been had he not been hit!

Can't blame the carnage this time on the Sprint format.

Great battle between Martin and MM93. Marquez was a demon on the brakes, never seen him so hard on the (Brad?) binders.
 
You guys sure like to bad mouth the guy who constantly gives us amazing races anytime he is involved; the fight with Martin was a prime example of how he is the most exciting racer out there by far!

That HRC was trying to throw him off the bike for 5 straight laps while dueling with a works Ducati: Marc was lucky to get away with just a low side since he was braking so late and sliding it everywhere. His sector 1 corner-speed was almost like seeing Lorenzo in his prime and he was gaining on Martin so much because of that.

That HRC bike is not only violent but it's back to lacking in acceleration again and looks uncomfrertable in the corners unless you take it to the edge like Marc does. HRC/Honda are behind the satellite Aprillia!

I know this place is die-hard Rossi fans, but you guys are seriously going to miss him when he is gone.

The incident with Bagnaia was a racing incident as was the one he had with Mav despite how violent it looked, Bezzechi's was a clear example of overcooking a turn and impeding another rider as he didn't even make the turn himself and pushed Marc way off the track. But he rode incredibly well after that, I honestly think Pecco might be benefiting so much more from Enea being out than anyone else. He doesn't do well under pressure and last year Enea was making it clear he wasn't going to Ducati to be a team player like Jack was.

I really do want to see a healthy Enea take it to him, because I think he may be a one-off champ.

Crazy race from start to finish, with lots of drama; I watched twice already and might watch it again this weekend as I still have yet to watch Moto3. Marini's elbow and knee down recovery was insanity, it sucks he got hit by Alex who was riding way too erratic for my tastes.

Sucks about the 3 week wait.
Just an observation here and I could be off. But you seem to have a hate on anythng to do with Rossi or as you put it Rossi Fans?
Just because some us are feed up with seeing Marc Marquez cause more crashs than the average rider and getting away with it cause of his standing in MotoGP has nothing to do with Rossi. The guy is retired time to get over your hate for him , no?
Yes Marc is an amazing rider on most likely one of the more difficult bikes to ride on the grid. But that doesnt excuse him for taking the chances he does , then constantly taking out another rider and not getting penalized for it. I can't recal seeing another rider going into another teams garage to appologize as much as Ive seen Marc do it.
Maybe just maybe Rossi was correct and Marc just doesnt give a ****.
 
Just an observation here and I could be off. But you seem to have a hate on anythng to do with Rossi or as you put it Rossi Fans?
Just because some us are feed up with seeing Marc Marquez cause more crashs than the average rider and getting away with it cause of his standing in MotoGP has nothing to do with Rossi. The guy is retired time to get over your hate for him , no?
Yes Marc is an amazing rider on most likely one of the more difficult bikes to ride on the grid. But that doesnt excuse him for taking the chances he does , then constantly taking out another rider and not getting penalized for it. I can't recal seeing another rider going into another teams garage to appologize as much as Ive seen Marc do it.
Maybe just maybe Rossi was correct and Marc just doesnt give a ****.
Marc has said he "rides to the limits. How can you find the limits if you don't find them and pass through them?"
 
Carnage... More motorcyclists tossed into the meat grinder. That's what some people want.

I just want good clean racing. Good clean passing. Good clean fights. Racers pushing the limits, not racers being pushed beyond limits by someone else's recklessness.
 
Crazy rumour of the day (month?):

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Husqvarna to field a MotoGP entry in 2024: a rebranded RC16 a la GasGas, with team points going to KTM.

One of the names being bandied around for the Husky ride: MM93...

You have to give Ducati and KTM some credit - they are investing heavily in the sport.

Ducati is running 8 bikes

KTM has 4 factory bikes (self, Tech3), sponsors 6 bikes in Moto2 (Ajo, Aspar, Intact) and has 8 factory bikes in Moto3 (Tech3, Ajo, Aspar, Intact)

Even if KTM does not have 6 bikes in MotoGP, their investment is still no less impressive.
 
Just an observation here and I could be off. But you seem to have a hate on anythng to do with Rossi or as you put it Rossi Fans?
Just because some us are feed up with seeing Marc Marquez cause more crashs than the average rider and getting away with it cause of his standing in MotoGP has nothing to do with Rossi. The guy is retired time to get over your hate for him , no?
Yes Marc is an amazing rider on most likely one of the more difficult bikes to ride on the grid. But that doesnt excuse him for taking the chances he does , then constantly taking out another rider and not getting penalized for it. I can't recal seeing another rider going into another teams garage to appologize as much as Ive seen Marc do it.
Maybe just maybe Rossi was correct and Marc just doesnt give a ****.

I am regarded as 'anti-Rossi' around here only because I'm a Marc fan (as well as Mir who is a big fan of Rossi); but sure you can say that I'm not a fan of Pecco because I'm a fan of Enea. The default is, well clearly you're just anti-Rossi. It's absurd...

And this week Pecco has been taken to task by the media because of his position on satellite teams being able to to fight with him and being too aggressive for his tastes (sounding exactly like Rossi).


Again, I feel that its not that Pecco won last year but that his Ducati did, he just happens to ride one of the 8 on the grid and it was a works bike with all the support he neede to mask all of his inconsistency and mistakes that season. The odds were in his favour from a marketing POV and seeing where the Yamaha is you can see that it was never really a fair fight for it when fabio was his only percieved threat.

And while we are on the topic: I never really thought we lost much when Rossi retired as he had been a ghost of the guy who could overtake Stoner at the corkscrew (admittedly before my time) by 2015 and when he said 'Marc destroyed this sport' because of his aggressive riding style it was an admission that he was just another 'rode as well' at that point on the grid and that he was denying his past while also preveting more promising talent from taking his seat because of the immense commercial and brand recognition he brought with him both at Yamaha but also by Dorna itself.

I like Bezzechi's riding style (aggressive racer not affraid to swap paint) and to be honest I think he is the most promising of the VR46 squad; everyone else seems to have had sweetheart deals solely via their association to Rossi--Franco is the most resounding one--whereas guys like Iker get one season and then a boot to WSBK.

I get MotoGP (like all racing) is primarily an advertisement driven commercial enterprise, except for 2 hours on a Sunday, but this has gotten to a point that there are so many of them (VR46 riders) that simply expressing a dislike for abject favoritism is considered anti-Rossi. Hell I didn't think Alex Marquez deserved a ride at HRC either and his time at LCR was abysmal and a total waste of his time in this dangerous sport but I'm also glad to see him doing better on a Ducati all the same. which he got entirely on his own merit from the few podiums he got in that stint.

Marc is a champion and the most successful on the grid by far, he is coming back from several injuries on what is clearly the worst bike on the grid, and while his riding style does lend itself to being more accident-prone its still leagues ahead anyone else's on that grid--and no, I don't want to see another repeat of 2019 even if it further proves my point.

Again, Martin vs Marc was a perfect example of what I want to see, occasionally that leads to contact but I think it's a failure on all of you arm-chair experts to sit there and say you see what that Honda is like and think it can be tamed any better when battling for the top 5 spots, because you have Mir and Rins ending up in the gravel nearly every weekend.

Crazy rumour of the day (month?):

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Husqvarna to field a MotoGP entry in 2024: a rebranded RC16 a la GasGas, with team points going to KTM.

One of the names being bandied around for the Husky ride: MM93...

I'm pretty sure Redbull would remove Miller and put Marc in to keep it's livery on the works team if it came to that; Pedro could ride alongside a seasoned veteran like Jack (whose been on just about every major brand bike) and still gain a lot of experience so it would be a win all around. If it came to that I'm sure it would be Redbull who bought Marc out of his HRC contract so they'd ultimately call the shots, and seeing their most successful rider on Huisqy livery makes absolutely no sense if it were to happen.

I'm torn to be honest, I think Marc is so close to ending his career with every GP he races in when riding the HRC but I also love seeing him slide and try to tame that violent machine while fighting it out with Ducatis--honestly its the only reason why I watch GP anymore, moto3 has been way more entertaining for several seasons now. If he were to get on a KTM it might not be as exciting as spectacle but overall better for his general safety and longevity.

And since he just got engaged this may be the right choice, but again... I'm a fan of Marc because of how far he is willing to go to succeed and the limits he pushes on himself, and subsequently all other riders, which ultimately makes the sport itself evolve. I watched the 2 stroke races when I had the DORNA pass (when it worked) and to be honest, that is completely boring when compared to the Alien era of MotoGP by a large margin that it seems like its an entirely different series: that era could easily be mistaken for WSBK to me.
 
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It is possible to be fan of the sport and also be a fan of Rossi and his legacy and also appreciate what Marc brings as a rider. I dont think anyone is questioning Marcs skill as a rider. Heck even Rossi said early on in his career that Marc has the promise to be best and most succesfull rider of all time.
The problem with Marc is that when things dont go his way based on skill. He takes things to another level and his risks result in him taking out innocent rider. Latest victim is Olivera.
I also enjoy watching Marc challenge for the lead. Whether I want him to win or not.
 
I'm surprised no one bothered to post fort Mugello, as we have 3 in a row with Sachsenring and Dutch TT coming up ahead of the break.\

Sprint race was amazing and Marc is still using his craft to drag that pos HRC to the front row, even if it pisses off a few prima donnas who think they're entitled to the entire track. Seriously, Pecco needs to be humbled by a health Enea after the break becaue he probably doesn't really see Marco as a real threat since they're all VR46; but I do agree with Pecco one thing: the bike is too good!


I'm convinced that you could you could do a wildcard with a random Moto2 rider and have him challenge for a top 5 at this point. Pirro is really just testing out there but I'm sure if he was allowed to race he could probably make top 10.

With said,.. there are too many damn Ducatis out there!

Sundays are starting to just be processional and the only thing I want to underscore is that had sprint races not been introduced Zarco would be behind Pecco in the championship, its crazy but he is really goign all in on the Mir way to the championship. I like Zarco, and he adds a certain level-headedness to the series, but I wonder what is long term strategy is? Win a race, maybe 2 or 3 and then retire? He will never be allowed to challenge for a championship when they have Italian riders on the works team.
 
I'm surprised no one bothered to post fort Mugello, as we have 3 in a row with Sachsenring and Dutch TT coming up ahead of the break.\

Sprint race was amazing and Marc is still using his craft to drag that pos HRC to the front row, even if it pisses off a few prima donnas who think they're entitled to the entire track. Seriously, Pecco needs to be humbled by a health Enea after the break becaue he probably doesn't really see Marco as a real threat since they're all VR46; but I do agree with Pecco one thing: the bike is too good!


I'm convinced that you could you could do a wildcard with a random Moto2 rider and have him challenge for a top 5 at this point. Pirro is really just testing out there but I'm sure if he was allowed to race he could probably make top 10.

With said,.. there are too many damn Ducatis out there!

Sundays are starting to just be processional and the only thing I want to underscore is that had sprint races not been introduced Zarco would be behind Pecco in the championship, its crazy but he is really goign all in on the Mir way to the championship. I like Zarco, and he adds a certain level-headedness to the series, but I wonder what is long term strategy is? Win a race, maybe 2 or 3 and then retire? He will never be allowed to challenge for a championship when they have Italian riders on the works team.

I think Zarco will be replaced by Arbolino for 2024.

MM93 riding the wheels off the Honda as usual, when you are over the limit all the time things happen. Next weekend is at the Sachsenring, he's pretty much unbeatable at that track, but both Honda and Yamaha are in big trouble. The gap between the euro bikes and Japanese is growing wider every round.
 
I believe Arbolino will replace F Diggiantonio with Gresini, i wonder where P Acosta in which team will be next season.
 
Typical MM93 situation. At least he didnt take someone else out with him this time. Too bad I would love to see a healthy Marc at his prime with a good bike challenging for the lead. When hes at his best it makes everyone else push even harder.

I dont know if what MM did during qulifying was intentional or if it had any impact to Pecos run. Tough to undsrstand for me.

Yea if Enea was healthy he would give Pecco a run for the top. Im seeing Bezzechi challeging Enea for a factory bike if Enea doesnt come through in second half of the season.

Cant blame the Ducatis for being good at this point. Its their turn to dominate. For years they had the worst bike on the grid. Its not their fault Honda and Yamaha wont improve.
 
Typical MM93 situation. At least he didnt take someone else out with him this time. Too bad I would love to see a healthy Marc at his prime with a good bike challenging for the lead. When hes at his best it makes everyone else push even harder.

I dont know if what MM did during qulifying was intentional or if it had any impact to Pecos run. Tough to undsrstand for me.

Yea if Enea was healthy he would give Pecco a run for the top. Im seeing Bezzechi challeging Enea for a factory bike if Enea doesnt come through in second half of the season.

Cant blame the Ducatis for being good at this point. Its their turn to dominate. For years they had the worst bike on the grid. Its not their fault Honda and Yamaha wont improve.

1. Marquez has still shown enough in bits and pieces this season that he can still be a contender.

2. I don't think it was on purpose. Bagnaia was out of sync with the rest of the qualifiers. Not entirely sure why but Bagnaia went on his second stint earlier than everyone else. I don't think Marquez was expecting anyone to be on a flying lap.

3. Ducati will give Bastianini another season on the factory team regardless of how he performs this year. If Bezzechi stays with Ducati, he is going to most likely land at Pramac. Martin is turning into a championship contender this year, so if another rider hops over him on the ducati pecking order, he is going to leave.

4. Agree. This is on Honda and Yamaha to get better, not for Ducati to get punished for their success. What's funny is that it wasn't that long ago that Honda had 6 bikes on the grid - all of which could win. Now that all being said, this sport being political as much as anything else, I can see a sencario where the specs change to unfavour ducati (likely something about aero), or even KTM (their launch device).
 
Yea forgot about Martin. He is doing well and challenging up front.
Yea all this complaining about Ducati having too many bikes on the grid and dominating .. lol
If It wasnt for them we would have 4 less riders and bikes on the grid.
Too bad we cant get Kawasaki or even BMW back into MOTO GP. As much as I favour Ducatis success. I think more competition is good all around.
 
I think Zarco will be replaced by Arbolino for 2024.

MM93 riding the wheels off the Honda as usual, when you are over the limit all the time things happen. Next weekend is at the Sachsenring, he's pretty much unbeatable at that track, but both Honda and Yamaha are in big trouble. The gap between the euro bikes and Japanese is growing wider every round.

What is remarkable is that Honda and Yamaha are still getting beat by the GP22 nevermind the GP23, which is telling us that their bikes did not improve over last season. In Yamaha's case, it looks like it got worse.

Kind of amazing that Rins won a race the more the season goes on.
 
Yea forgot about Martin. He is doing well and challenging up front.
Yea all this complaining about Ducati having too many bikes on the grid and dominating .. lol
If It wasnt for them we would have 4 less riders and bikes on the grid.
Too bad we cant get Kawasaki or even BMW back into MOTO GP. As much as I favour Ducatis success. I think more competition is good all around.

I think Ducati now beating Kawasaki is going to demotivate them from coming into MotoGP even that much more. I would dare say the odds of them leaving WSBK is higher than joining MotoGP.
 
My thoughts on MM93... yes, he's an incredibly talented rider. He's a definitive champion, that unfortunately had a near career-ending injury.

He can't qualify at all unless he gets a tow from another rider. He intentionally waits for them. Zero doubt about it.

I'm genuinely curious to see what would happen if all the riders he tried to get a tow from simply "noped out" whenever he tried it.
Sure, riders like Bagnaia or Bezecci won't qualify in first, but if their skill is as good as it seems, they should be able to plonk their way to the lead. MM93 would wallow mid pack at best.
 

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