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Riding during stay at home order.
- Thread starter ACsurge
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Same here.
Don't forget that part of the reason there have been so few cases from personal service (and from restaurants, and "recreational fitness" i.e. gyms) has been BECAUSE they have been closed (or only allowed to operate with outdoor or takeaway service). We'll never know how many there would have been if indoor superspreader events had been allowed ...
What is not wrong, is stating that workplaces remain a big ongoing issue, and Ford etc has done little to address that.
matt365
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My .02c
Why should your employer have to cover anything? Picking up Covid from work is one thing, but if people don't follow guidelines and party it up in their off time with a bunch of dipshits and get covid, their employer should pay for them to be home?
Different topic; I don't understand many people living beyond their means.
Background:
Parents didn't give me jack-****. (Nor are they required to).
I live comfortably within my means. I drive a 10 year old truck (that was my first new vehicle)... it wasn't leased or financed until the end of time when it was new. It was cheap, no options, and used for work. Rode old bikes that I had to learn to fix myself. I don't make a killing, but I can work with what I have. I've never paid interest on a credit card...
"Buy now, pay later? How can I lose!"...
I get that things in life happen, and everyone's situation is different... but it is suggested that we all have 6 months of living expenses saved for an emergency. Pretty sure 80%+ of the population doesn't have that.
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Huh?
Dipshits or morons. Which is it?
No one mentioned **** about employers that "have to" cover anything.
And that's the problem. Federal AND provincial governments have half-a$$ed it.
The random stop and question measures were unpalatable because they should have been the final piece of a more robust approach, not just another attempt at "flattening the curve" for a little while.
The lockdowns that were successful in NZ and Australia were complete. Food - groceries not restaurants, emergency services, communications were running and that was it. Every other business was shut including international travel. There was no interpretation, no grey areas, which was why people accepted the temporary abrogation of their basic rights.
I read an article in MacLeans yesterday. Regarding the lockdown measures the author said, "Governments need to keep blaming us (the public) because if they stop they have to accept blame themselves."
I also read that regarding vaccines - it takes 60 doses administered based on age demographic to affect case counts, but only 37 doses administered in outbreak zones to have the same statistical effect.
I was and am strongly opposed to the random stop and question measure from Friday under the current circumstances because the right to freedom of movement within our country is fundamental, but if it was deployed temporarily as I described above, the last piece of a TRULY effective strategy I would accept it without concern.
But we do, the data is in the chart. Personal care services were open July to December across the entire province, so limiting our selection to those dates and we have.
- Personal Care Services - 21 cases
- Restaurants - 513 cases
- Hospitals - 1,854 cases
- Schools - 2,636 cases
- Workplaces - 5,692 cases
- Long Term Care Homes - 9,603 cases
dipons with morshits
"Logic" would dictate that we temporarily stop (or almost stop) distributing vaccines outside Toronto-Peel-York until rampant community spread stops there (or is brought down to somewhere near the same level as elsewhere), and then expand it to adjacent areas when the community spread in Toronto-Peel-York is the same as the adjacent areas, until it has expanded all the way across the province.
Even at the present rate of ~ 100,000 vaccinations per day, that's enough to do roughly the whole over-50 population in Toronto, Peel, and York in a couple of weeks.
For that matter, the provinces aren't equally affected, either.
But the locals in other areas would yell bloody murder at that approach.
The problem with this dragging on so long was even those that had six months savings ran out. While the govt support was generous for some and approached their working income, for others it was a teacup trying to bail out a boat. For instance, lot of professional athletes survive on cash flow and expect hundreds of thousands a month flowing through. Sure, they can probably get a LOC to get them through but it isn't easy to substantially shut down the outgoing flow.
Pre-variant was a different disease. The variants are so much more transmissible that it is hard to look at historical numbers and use them to predict what would happen now. Now I believe some personal care could still be done in relative safety but there needs to be a huge hammer for the morons. The vaughan nail salon that caused a huge outbreak should be locked until the virus is under control. They refuse to single out the bad actors and instead punish all.
pfbmgd
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You see the TV fear mongering in this thread . I put several people on ignore to have sensible discussion .
Considering their estimates of the original virus has been consistently wrong, I'm not too worried about their current modelling.
No, they are only punishing businesses that can't afford a legal team to fight them in court. Which is why Amazon even after they prove they are incapable of handling basic precautions that lead to 900 cases, were allowed to reopen after 2 weeks. Which is why Walmart and other big box retailers got to keep selling anything they wanted while small mom and pop shops shut down.
If you think any of these measures or restrictions have anything to do with the numbers, or common sense, I have beachfront property on the moon to sell you for a reasonable price.
There’s a federal benefit. But I didn’t know about it until I happened to find a copy sitting on the printer at work. I suspect most have no clue it exists.
AllistonGT
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I live on a motorcycle superhighway. Sure is quiet today
There's no easy answers.
Amazon's workplace(s) has been mentioned.
I'll take a wild guess (no facts to back it up) the workers make min wage + maybe 10% and no benefits?
Missing eight hours pay likely cuts into something important in their day to day. That's if only 1 day of work is missed. Imagine five - 10 days off. Even if they are aware of a federal (or other) benefit and apply, how long would it take to receive? The hydro could be off by then.
So folks in these situations suck it up while sick, and head to work.
Now. If the benefit you came across made payments to employers who paid sick employees, we might get somewhere, much much quicker. (if that's the case, nevermind what I said).
$500/week directly to your bank account, you apply on a week by week basis.
That's all i gleaned on the 30 seconds i spent looking at it.
Login to cra, click apply for sick benefit, deposited in your account in less than 48 hours.
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