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While I feel this sentence is appropriate (if not a bit light), it would be interesting to know how this would play out if he had been texting when he blew the stop sign as opposed to drunk. Texting while driving is equally negligent, if not more so, given that the person is making a conscious, non-impaired, decision to do so. It makes me wonder if drivers would continue to be so "distracted" if the penalties were as harsh as drunk driving.

If I understand it correctly DUI is a criminal offense and deaths or anything resulting from a DUI get the big hammer. Texting is a HTA issue and the driver gets off light, a minimal fine and an insurance hit unless they have a freebie clause for the first offense. I'm guessing a grand and a few points.

I have mixed emotions about cell driving in that I inadvertently did it once recently. While I agree it is totally wrong except for 911 emergencies I did it. I answered the phone while walking to the car and as the conversation continued I got in, buckled up and drove off without switching to bluetooth. I caught it a moment later and switched. Even so, hands free is a mental distraction that is worse than having something in ones hand. Hands free is BS.

Laws should reflect minor lapses or we'd all be in jail but too much leniency is worse.
 
Laws should reflect minor lapses or we'd all be in jail but too much leniency is worse.
I agree, and understand the difference between a criminal code offence and an HTA offence, but, hypothetically, try telling the victims' family that the lost lives are only worth a slap on wrist because the at fault driver was only distracted by texting or cell phone use as opposed drunk. Are the lost lives worth less if the at fault driver is sober and intentionally not paying attention to the road as opposed to drunk?

Found this interesting (article):
"New Jersey has been at the forefront of texting while driving regulations – making the act punishable by up to 10 years in prison and fines up to $150,000 for anyone who causes an injury."
 
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Does anybody believe in remorse? Does anybody believe in accountability? Of course he didn't "mean" to kill anybody. Most people can understand that. But, unless MM's been living under a rock, he should have known all the ramifications that apply to impaired driving. No excuses, he knew. So he kills 3 people and devastates lives, probably forever. He gets a 10 year sentence. Fine. What are the odds that he does not apply for early parole? What are the chances he insists on serving out his full sentence? Highly unlikely. These questions are probably an affront to most peoples sensibilities. It's a game. There is no accountability. The victims are pushed aside. It might as well have been a white collar crime. This is why we can't have nice things.

ps, If you've never been a victim of someone else's reckless behaviour then punishment and accountability is all just liberal theory anyway. It's at a distance. As if suffering for the rest of your life isn't bad enough how does it feel to see your nemeses trying every strategy to get their life back to normal? Not good.
 
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Does anybody believe in remorse? Does anybody believe in accountability? Of course he didn't "mean" to kill anybody. Most people can understand that. But, unless MM's been living under a rock, he should have known all the ramifications that apply to impaired driving. No excuses, he knew. So he kills 3 people and devastates lives, probably forever. He gets a 10 year sentence. Fine. What are the odds that he does not apply for early parole? What are the chances he insists on serving out his full sentence? Highly unlikely. These questions are probably an affront to most peoples sensibilities. It's a game. There is no accountability. The victims are pushed aside. It might as well have been a white collar crime. This is why we can't have nice things.

ps, If you've never been a victim of someone else's reckless behaviour then punishment and accountability is all just liberal theory anyway. It's at a distance. As if suffering for the rest of your life isn't bad enough how does it feel to see your nemeses trying every strategy to get their life back to normal? Not good.

MM had numerous speeding tickets and apparently some alcohol related events that didn't stick. He obviously didn't get the message. BTW he killed 4 not 3 and seriously injured two other elderly relatives. Old folks don't spring back easily so will be a burden on the Neville-Lake family. Not going to be a lot of laughter in that house.

He will likely be on day parole in 2-1/2 years and sipping lattes during the day at the family cottage. Six months later it will be full parole.

Is MM remorseful enough to spend the rest of his life working to eliminate drunk driving or will he just focus on running the family business?

We all make mistakes. What are we prepared to do to correct them?

MM and the family billions can't raise the dead but it could spare some others the same grief. If the Muzzo family knew that their only child was going to be killed how much of the family fortune would they spend to save his life? How much will they spend, as a sign of remorse, to save someone else's life in the future? Hypothetically speaking.
 
Does anybody believe in remorse? Does anybody believe in accountability? Of course he didn't "mean" to kill anybody. Most people can understand that. But, unless MM's been living under a rock, he should have known all the ramifications that apply to impaired driving. No excuses, he knew. So he kills 3 people and devastates lives, probably forever. He gets a 10 year sentence. Fine. What are the odds that he does not apply for early parole? What are the chances he insists on serving out his full sentence? Highly unlikely. These questions are probably an affront to most peoples sensibilities. It's a game. There is no accountability. The victims are pushed aside. It might as well have been a white collar crime. This is why we can't have nice things.

ps, If you've never been a victim of someone else's reckless behaviour then punishment and accountability is all just liberal theory anyway. It's at a distance. As if suffering for the rest of your life isn't bad enough how does it feel to see your nemeses trying every strategy to get their life back to normal? Not good.

No accountability? I doubt anyone here would want to face the sentence and the changed future that he is facing.

Victims pushed aside? The victims here have been part of the system from day one and have amply opportunity to address the court and the media. They have hardly been pushed aside, and one can reasonably argue that their impact statement was a significant contributing factor to the harsh sentence that Muzzo received.

If you have ever been a victim of others' reckless behaviour? Some of us have been. Many years ago my first fiancee was killed by a drunk driver. One year imprisonment. Was that enough? Not at the time in my mind. After all, that guy came from "the wrong side of the tracks", hung with a bad crowd, wasn't part of polite society in that town. But he showed remorse to the court, came back and is now a responsible business member of the community who has managed to raise a decent family and who contributes to local kids sports and programs.

Years before that two close friends were among 6 teenagers killed in a head-on car crash with another car piloted by a speeding car thief who also died, and who ironically had just stolen my uncle's LTD 5 minutes earlier. Totally senseless.

Yes, some of us do get to see and feel the effects of reckless and careless behaviour up close. **** happens, sometimes to us, sometimes by us, and either way usually unintentionally even when a result of a stupid choice. Everyone does stupid and even criminally stupid things in their lives - most of us are just lucky enough to escape the worst possible outcomes of doing stupid.

As for "your nemeses trying every strategy to get their life back to normal", if they are able to try and regain some semblance of normal life while fulfilling the terms of their sentence, fine. Why shouldn't Muzzo apply for parole at the earliest date if he is of good behaviour and qualifies for same? Even if successful he still won't be free and will still be under restrictions, same as any other criminal who manages to win early parole. But he may be in a better situation to do something with his life to somehow pay back society for the grief that he has caused.
 
We all make mistakes.


I'm going to barf if I hear his actions being described as a "mistake" or something similar again.

It was criminally negligent behavior that resulted in the deaths of 4 individuals that couldn't have been any more innocent. It was another example of a pattern of such behaviors that had gone on for some time, him learning nothing from previous incidents and the "law", such as it is, treating him with kid gloves.

A "mistake" is slipping a decimal place or making wrong change at the till. The choice to drink and drive is not a mistake, it's the behavior of a sociopath and a criminal.

MM and the family billions can't raise the dead but it could spare some others the same grief. If the Muzzo family knew that their only child was going to be killed how much of the family fortune would they spend to save his life? How much will they spend, as a sign of remorse, to save someone else's life in the future? Hypothetically speaking.

Does Canada's "justice system" have the provision to allow the family of his victims to sue Mucho Drunko et al for four counts of wrongful death and hit them in the pocketbook at all?
 
Does Canada's "justice system" have the provision to allow the family of his victims to sue Mucho Drunko et al for four counts of wrongful death and hit them in the pocketbook at all?

They can sue Muzzo for their loss, pain and suffering.

Somehow I don't think that they will have to. My bet is that the Muzzo's will quietly come forward on their own to offer some form of gesture to the Neville-Lake family. Not that any compensation could ever really offset the loss of life incurred, but the gesture would be another one of remorse. If the Muzzo family does so, hopefully the Neville-Lake family will see fit to accept it and not dismiss it out of hand.
 
No accountability? I doubt anyone here would want to face the sentence and the changed future that he is facing.

Victims pushed aside? The victims here have been part of the system from day one and have amply opportunity to address the court and the media. They have hardly been pushed aside, and one can reasonably argue that their impact statement was a significant contributing factor to the harsh sentence that Muzzo received.

As for "your nemeses trying every strategy to get their life back to normal", if they are able to try and regain some semblance of normal life while fulfilling the terms of their sentence, fine. Why shouldn't Muzzo apply for parole at the earliest date if he is of good behaviour and qualifies for same?

1) I didn't say "no accountability". I said "Does nobody believe in accountability"? That means owning it over the long haul and accepting your punishment. 1/3 sentence is always a slap in the face to the victims. Why apply for early parole? To slap the victims face? True humility and remorse does not include 1/3 sentence because good behaviour.

2) I watched a youtube video of Paul Bernardo (2007?) in Kingston. He has completely pushed all responsibility of his crimes to the person he used to be. This is a common coping strategy. As time passes the victim are mostly forgotten. Release and parol dates are secrets.

3) I know this is a hard concept to wrap your head around. It is totally counterintuitive to any survival strategy. Not applying for early release would be the the true test of accountability. Not going to happen. So that answers that for me.
 
1) I didn't say "no accountability". I said "Does nobody believe in accountability"? That means owning it over the long haul and accepting your punishment. 1/3 sentence is always a slap in the face to the victims. Why apply for early parole? To slap the victims face? True humility and remorse does not include 1/3 sentence because good behaviour.

2) I watched a youtube video of Paul Bernardo (2007?) in Kingston. He has completely pushed all responsibility of his crimes to the person he used to be. This is a common coping strategy. As time passes the victim are mostly forgotten. Release and parol dates are secrets.

3) I know this is a hard concept to wrap your head around. It is totally counterintuitive to any survival strategy. Not applying for early release would be the the true test of accountability. Not going to happen. So that answers that for me.

Yep.
 
1) I didn't say "no accountability". I said "Does nobody believe in accountability"? That means owning it over the long haul and accepting your punishment. 1/3 sentence is always a slap in the face to the victims. Why apply for early parole? To slap the victims face? True humility and remorse does not include 1/3 sentence because good behaviour.

2) I watched a youtube video of Paul Bernardo (2007?) in Kingston. He has completely pushed all responsibility of his crimes to the person he used to be. This is a common coping strategy. As time passes the victim are mostly forgotten. Release and parol dates are secrets.

3) I know this is a hard concept to wrap your head around. It is totally counterintuitive to any survival strategy. Not applying for early release would be the the true test of accountability. Not going to happen. So that answers that for me.

good behaviour
uhm it was bad behavior that landed one in jail
they were convicted and doing the time for the original bad behaviour
wth? then we should be able to tell the bank uhm cut my mortgage period by 1/3 the time due to good payment behaviors.

strange
 
They can sue Muzzo for their loss, pain and suffering.

Somehow I don't think that they will have to. My bet is that the Muzzo's will quietly come forward on their own to offer some form of gesture to the Neville-Lake family. Not that any compensation could ever really offset the loss of life incurred, but the gesture would be another one of remorse. If the Muzzo family does so, hopefully the Neville-Lake family will see fit to accept it and not dismiss it out of hand.

The awkward part of compensation is the feeling of blood money. If it was me every time I looked at the new house, car, cottage whatever I would think "My kid paid for this with his/her life. I benefited." and it would hurt all the more. It's different when a child benefits from a parents passing because that is the norm.

Depending on the resolve of the Neville-Lake family they could use Muzzo money to fight the DUI mentality and find some purpose in life. MADD started that way but has unfortunately gone off the rails.
 
I dunno man, they could buy jet-skis.... its pretty hard to feel depressed on a jet-ski.
 
I dunno man, they could buy jet-skis.... its pretty hard to feel depressed on a jet-ski.

Neville-Lake is the name of what's left of the victims family, not an actual lake. The best way to treat what's left of the Neville-Lakes' familys' depression would be for what's left of the Neville-Lake family to visit Marco Muzzo in jail to ask forgiveness for being in the wrong place at the right time. I'm sure they had no intention of ruining his life in the short term.
 
And some more fall-out.

No, not thatMarco Muzzo.

That’s the message Mississauga city council is trying to communicate after it passed a resolution Wednesday renaming Marco Muzzo Memorial Woods and Park to Marco Muzzo Senior Memorial Woods and Park.

According to a resolution moved by Councillor Sue McFadden, whose ward includes the park, there appeared to be confusion and concern from the community that it was named after convicted drunk driver Marco Muzzo.

The park is actually named for his late grandfather, also named Marco, a titan in the construction and development industry who died in 2005.


http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/03/30/mississaugas-muzzo-park-gets-a-tweak-to-its-name.html
 
No accountability? I doubt anyone here would want to face the sentence and the changed future that he is facing.

What sentence and what changed future??? the only reason he got 10 years was because his family allowed it to happen as part of the plan, why do you think he pleaded guilty ?? because he couldn't fight the charges??? his family has enough money to hold this case in court and have him out on bail for the next 200 years, if not get him acquitted on a techincality, the problem is the public fall out from that would be too much strain on the familys public image and business relationships, in 2 years when everyone moves on(except for the victims family ) he will get out quietly, and go back to private jets, and fancy cars.
The only change in his future is that its on hold for a couple of years
 
Not sure if anyone else saw the mother speak (Neville-Lake), she made a statement that their friends have to watch them because they are both suicidal.
That is some serious stuff that the mother and father are on the same page...seems much easier for them to checkout and have their ashes along with their dead family members scattered somewhere.

OR they somehow become a force and lobby the government and the public for massive social changes.

There is a photo of the kids hands and parents as they took them off life support.

So yeah, he Muzzo needs to spend every day of his 10 years sentence in jail.
They say in the US he would receive a consecutive sentence for each person.

Muzzo did not make a mistake, He knew he was going to a party, private jet back, drinking....right there either him or someone in his family should have arranged a car service. As I mentioned at is seems to be proven, this was not his first time drinking and driving. He had many chances BEFORE to alter the future coarse of collision, those kids and the their grandfather never had a choice or a chance....bang, they are dead...and the drunk lives.
 
Agreed. Muzzo lived that lifestyle for years, and every friend, hanger-on and family member knew it. They are all complicit. That picture of the two dying kids should
be hung up on his cell wall.
 
Just a thought.
Was any of his friends on that plane ride back?
He went to his bachelors party, one has to wonder if he took some friends there and back.
Did he have drinks on the plane?
If so they should also be on the hook much like a bar would be responsible.
Start penalizing the others and behaviors change...I get it that sometimes your job could be at risk but then again making a secret call to the police protects the job aspect.
 
So yeah, he Muzzo needs to spend every day of his 10 years sentence in jail.
They say in the US he would receive a consecutive sentence for each person.

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I have mixed emotions about anything that mimics the US system but the concurrent sentences we deal out seem inappropriate. If you're going to kill someone why not do in everyone you hate. It's like an all you can eat buffet.

MM will likely serve about 120 weeks before parole kicks in. How about a week a month for 10 years instead? It would keep the event fresh in his mind.

The bigger question, beyond MM, is how we can keep people from driving when they shouldn't.

Imagine a questionnaire you have to fill out before you get the keys

Are you sober?
Are you under the influence of drugs, prescription, recreational or over-the-counter?
Are you angry or upset?
Are you competent to deal with the present road conditions?
Is your cell phone off?

Must score 5/5
 

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