Injured motorcyclist Linda Brown wages battle against distracted driving | News | Tor

Not to take away from the distracted driving, but when riding on a two-lane highway it is best to stay behind a car. That way, he gets hit instead of you. Cars drifting over the centre of the road on two-lane highways has been a common cause of death for decades. As for cell phones, in the future we could seen laws forcing drivers to put them in the trunk, somewhere out of reach of drivers. Current legislation is just not going to stop the stupidity.

wish to the rider quick recovery
another cash grab on distracted driving from the province
first to create a congestion and steal the money from the people instead of improving the road condition and educating the drivers
second is to blame the drivers and fine them, another form of legalized theft
I've seen people (not in ontario, but on more congested roads) who can drink beer and Rom, talk on the phone and drive stick, and without hitting anybody...
 
ok there...what a dumbass idea, good thing you're not in charge of making the laws.

Distracted driving is as bad or worse than impaired driving and it's being done by a lot more people. It poses an existential threat to all motorcyclists. Dire times call for dire measures.

If you're using your phone as a GPS when you're driving you're likely distracted unless you've got it mounted on the dash, do not touch it while in motion and are following voice directions. My car (2010 STi) has GPS; it also has a feature that disables a good deal of the GPS touch-screen buttons when the car is in motion. For example, I can only enter or change destinations etc when the car is stopped. Does your phone disable certain features while underway?

No, I didn't think so and this is my point.

I hate distracted idiots on the road just as much the next guy and never hesitate to point them out but this is just plain nonsense.

:shrug: I'm sure people who just had "a" beer say the same thing about drunk driving. It's taken 35 years to get society to the point where driving under the influence is considered a major deal; too bad it'll likely take another 35 to deal with this addiction to "devices."

I use my phone as my primary gps, I guess its distracting for me to look at it and see what's coming up. Hell, I shouldn't even touch any of the buttons on the center console of my car even skipping to the next track or adjusting the heat/ac may be far too distracting

Any electronic device in cars is distracting. Those put there by the auto manufacturer used to be pretty simple but are getting more and more complex, some even with "joysticks" and the like to navigate complex menu trees. Hell, cars increasingly come with lane-assist and automatic braking and "blind spot" warning systems because drivers are becoming increasingly distracted, often by the very systems that come with the car itself.

Traditional controls like radio buttons and volume knobs or HVAC controls are mastered in minutes and become controllable with a glance and muscle-memory. Funny how, when I drive my 2nd car (02 Mustang GT) -- which I rarely drive -- I find my hand drifting to where the volume and radio controls are in my STi for the first few miles thanks to muscle memory; very little mental processing is involved in simple controls like this. Punching in new addresses, texting replies, dialing phone numbers etc requires far more mental time and attention; the numbers speak for themselves. As I said, the distraction for this sort of thing is as bad or worse than impaired driving now.

There's a middle ground I'm sure: Instead of the screen blanking period we allow certain functions to work, like GPS, but with limited touchscreen functionality (like car manufacturers do) until the car stops. If the screen is not showing GPS when the car starts moving, it goes blank. I'm sure others will whine as their particular addictions are affected ("But I play music from my device and need to select from my playlist..." ...) There's got to be a happy medium where real value like GPS is nominally affected and texting is 100% prevented.

If we can't do that then we get tougher with the law; treat offenses (even the first) like drunk driving or even HTAs172: roadside suspensions, forfeitures, massive insurance hits etc. People aren't letting the statistics stop them from putting others at serious risk, device junkies are unwilling to have automation (e.g. auto-blanking when underway) deal with it so how about hitting offenders in the pocketbook?

You'll probably object to that too.
 
I've seen people (not in ontario, but on more congested roads) who can drink beer and Rom, talk on the phone and drive stick, and without hitting anybody...

I wish those people come here.
 
I'll stick with a policy of personal responsibility and hyper-vigilance.. No legislative system of increased penalties and the like is going to fix stupid, nor will it bring you back when stupid crosses your path.
 
I don't think distracted driving even had much to do with it here. Sounds just like a bad driver that didn't care to check mirrors or signal.

I thought Toronto drivers were bad for that. I just drove down to the Smokey Mountains and back. Man, those Americans are terrible. I think I could count the number of times I saw a turn signal in 24 hrs or so of driving on one hand.
 
Is a hands free device the answer anyway? Even if hands free you're still going to be distracted if talking about anything weighty that might require complex mental computation. Ever had a customer grille you over the phone and you're doing mental back flips trying to come up with new and ingenious reasons? You get that far away look in your eyes? That's distracting no matter what your hands are not doing.

I've been saying this for sometime now...
 
IMHO it starts with education. Drivers need to have it pounded into their sub-conscious that it's dangerous, illegal and has potential to ruin lives in the worst cases. It worked for drunk driving, no reason why it shouldn't help with distracted driving.

I also accept that it's part of the deal. It's an inherent risk on our roads and will always be. So I'm my first line of defense.
 
Totally agree and yet, it's ok. Not only that, it's encouraged. My employer provides a company vehicle with hands free connectivity so, I can conduct business on the phone.

The truth is, when I'm in the city with a lot of different things going on, traffic lights, drive ways, multi lanes, intersections, I avoid phone calls. I park and talk. I also turn off the radio and avoid conversations under these circumstances.

But, I do conduct phone calls on the highway when there is light traffic. It maybe just as dangerous but, I find the highways have less distractions, everyone traveling the same way and relatively the same speed etc. I get a lot of business taken care of driving from Toronto to Montreal or Ottawa etc.

Before cell phones I had to spend a day a week in the office so clients could get hold of me = four day sales week. When I got a cell phone it became a five day sales week = 25% increase in productivity. That is the reason cell phones are here to stay. Hands free is meaningless in a serious conversation.
 
Distracted driving is as bad or worse than impaired driving and it's being done by a lot more people. It poses an existential threat to all motorcyclists. Dire times call for dire measures.

If you're using your phone as a GPS when you're driving you're likely distracted unless you've got it mounted on the dash, do not touch it while in motion and are following voice directions. My car (2010 STi) has GPS; it also has a feature that disables a good deal of the GPS touch-screen buttons when the car is in motion. For example, I can only enter or change destinations etc when the car is stopped. Does your phone disable certain features while underway?

No, I didn't think so and this is my point.

No, but my gloves and preservation for life do...I only use the phone with a ram mount on my bike, car has built in GPS.

I do applaud your effort though, good sir.

:shrug: I'm sure people who just had "a" beer say the same thing about drunk driving. It's taken 35 years to get society to the point where driving under the influence is considered a major deal; too bad it'll likely take another 35 to deal with this addiction to "devices."

Come on now. We all know a beer is nothing for normal sized grown *** man hell, I often have a beer at lunch on group rides. Sue me.

I wish those people come here.

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True story...I was downtown with a buddy stuck in traffic on Queens Quay at a standstill and we were starving. Buddy saw a beer store and literally jumped out before I knew wtf he was doing and ran in. By the time he got out with a couple tall cans I had only moved about 5 feet...That beer was ****ing awesome, cold, refreshing and held down the hunger til we could get somewhere proper to eat. I was more distracted from the irritation of being in traffic and my hunger than anything, the beer was great and mellowed me out. Figured if anything happened the worst they could give me is an open alcohol ticket...
 
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Distracted driving is as bad or worse than impaired driving and it's being done by a lot more people. It poses an existential threat to all motorcyclists. Dire times call for dire measures.

If you're using your phone as a GPS when you're driving you're likely distracted unless you've got it mounted on the dash, do not touch it while in motion and are following voice directions. My car (2010 STi) has GPS; it also has a feature that disables a good deal of the GPS touch-screen buttons when the car is in motion. For example, I can only enter or change destinations etc when the car is stopped. Does your phone disable certain features while underway?

No, I didn't think so and this is my point.



:shrug: I'm sure people who just had "a" beer say the same thing about drunk driving. It's taken 35 years to get society to the point where driving under the influence is considered a major deal; too bad it'll likely take another 35 to deal with this addiction to "devices."



Any electronic device in cars is distracting. Those put there by the auto manufacturer used to be pretty simple but are getting more and more complex, some even with "joysticks" and the like to navigate complex menu trees. Hell, cars increasingly come with lane-assist and automatic braking and "blind spot" warning systems because drivers are becoming increasingly distracted, often by the very systems that come with the car itself.

Traditional controls like radio buttons and volume knobs or HVAC controls are mastered in minutes and become controllable with a glance and muscle-memory. Funny how, when I drive my 2nd car (02 Mustang GT) -- which I rarely drive -- I find my hand drifting to where the volume and radio controls are in my STi for the first few miles thanks to muscle memory; very little mental processing is involved in simple controls like this. Punching in new addresses, texting replies, dialing phone numbers etc requires far more mental time and attention; the numbers speak for themselves. As I said, the distraction for this sort of thing is as bad or worse than impaired driving now.

There's a middle ground I'm sure: Instead of the screen blanking period we allow certain functions to work, like GPS, but with limited touchscreen functionality (like car manufacturers do) until the car stops. If the screen is not showing GPS when the car starts moving, it goes blank. I'm sure others will whine as their particular addictions are affected ("But I play music from my device and need to select from my playlist..." ...) There's got to be a happy medium where real value like GPS is nominally affected and texting is 100% prevented.

If we can't do that then we get tougher with the law; treat offenses (even the first) like drunk driving or even HTAs172: roadside suspensions, forfeitures, massive insurance hits etc. People aren't letting the statistics stop them from putting others at serious risk, device junkies are unwilling to have automation (e.g. auto-blanking when underway) deal with it so how about hitting offenders in the pocketbook?

You'll probably object to that too.

I'm glad you spent the effort to type this wall of txt. Gibberish at best.
 
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