12 Year old Motorcycle racer killed

bunmanchi said:
ever think that the kid got into it because the parents were into it and your own reactions are the same ?

Would you let your own 12 yr old kid ride motorcycles if you didnt ?

just curious, If all you people that say what the kid was doing wasnt dangerous would let your own kids do it , ( if you didnt ride )

I ride. I will never take my kids on a ride. Maybe when they are 16, and i feel they are old enough to understand the risks invovled with riding a motorcycle.

I dont play fastball, i dont skateboard,I dont play hockey I dont ski or snowboard. But i do know that Racing a motorcycle is more dangerous than pretty much any other sport you could get your kid involved in, and to suggest its not is moronic.

Im sure the parents sleep better knowing this kid lived more in his 12 years becasue of this and died doing what he loved ( that one made me lol )

I'd rather have my kid alive and hating me for not letting them race MC's . but hey, I hate my kids. :rolleyes:
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Instead of flying by the seat of your ***, lets use some real science. Here are some basic statistics on the odds of dying.

The odds of dying just by living for a while (cancer, heart disease, stroke) are much higher than motorcycle racing, as in 75 - 100 X higher. http://www.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.html

Even discounting those age-related issues, the odds of dying by car accident are 1 in 100.
http://www.livescience.com/3780-odds-dying.html, http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081015210636AAoQgNK, http://dying.about.com/od/causes/tp/oddsdying.htm

Odds of dying motorcycle racing, 1 in 1000.
http://www.besthealthdegrees.com/health-risks/

Here's another example showing car accidents and age-related issues are much higher than motorcycles. http://www.nsc.org/NSC Picture Library/News/web_graphics/Injury_Facts_37.pdf

I hope you never let your kids in any vehicle, because you are playing with FIRE! :roll:

Wow, motorcycle racing, isn't as risky as you thought. :roll:. Just a prime example of risk perception, which has nothing to do with actual risk. Here is your lesson of the day, risk is nothing more than severity of event X the probability of outcome. As I demonstrated with FACT, death (outcome) is not much different in probability from motorcycle racing than it is from being in a car accident on the road.

Too bad almost everyone, including and especially the press, jumps on things and twists the facts... Hopefully some have learned here...



On top of that,...
Fine, whatever, make ASSumptions all you want, and for some people it may be true. And be ultra protective of your kids. I'll never butt in. But are you going to tell me and others how to raise their kids? :read::read: :roll:

I hope we are still in a society where people are allowed to make some basic choices on how they live their lives and raise their kids, without the social police coming in. :thumbright:
 
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^^ Stop with the rationale, that doesnt work around here...

Ask a lot of guys who have switched from street riding to track riding, 100% of them will tell you they feel safer on the track than out there on the roads with careless drivers, obstacles coming out at you, etc etc.
 
M son started at 4 on a quad, 6 on a 50cc suzuki, now 8 on a 22hp ktm with 6gears. If I can grab a set of street tires and a suit he might be on a road course cuz he loves it. Way safer then taking my dads truck out when I was 10 or out blasting on s 250 2 sttok with mo gear at 11
 
kwtoxman said:
I hope you never let your kids in any vehicle, because you are playing with FIRE! :roll:

. But are you going to tell me and others how to raise their kids? :read::read: :roll:
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i have not told anyone how to raise their kids. their your kids, do what you want.
the stats are pretty much useless in this scenario, as we have been discussing CHILDREN racing MC's

not too many 12 yr old kids driving around, are there ?




Red_Liner740 said:
^^ Stop with the rationale, that doesnt work around here...

Ask a lot of guys who have switched from street riding to track riding, 100% of them will tell you they feel safer on the track than out there on the roads with careless drivers, obstacles coming out at you, etc etc.
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how many of those guys have been 12 ? lol

many have said that racing is safer then street.
i get that, but 12 yr olds arent allowed to ride on the street, are they ?
why do you think that is ?

i still say that the risk of injury is greater in MC racing, than any other sport you could put a child in.

hopefully one of yout 12 yr old kids doesnt decide he wants to try base jumping, eh
 
So many things to say about this article/thread.

First off, the writer is a complete idiot if he believes that kids don't know what they want or love. That's all they know, they are pure hedonists driven entirely by desire. Has anyone met a child that could rationalize away a desire? No, if you give them ice cream for breakfast, they giggle, smile and walk away happy. Health, nutrition and waist line doesn't figure into the equation at all.

Secondly, motorcycle racing is more dangerous than other sports. 1 in 1000 die on the track, that's fine and might be a very accurate stat. But, how many people actually go to the track? Maybe 10 in 1000 (general population) which means 1 in 10 die there. It should be quite clear that you can't die at a track if you don't go. I am 100% certain I will not die ice fishing, fishing is boring as fak and sitting on ice doesn't appeal to me either. Yes other sports can be dangerous/fatal, but the chances of fatality in other sports is much lower. The example of the kid getting hit in the sternum playing baseball, for every kid racing, there's probably 300 playing baseball, or basketball, or football. And lets be honest, it's only Italians that get injured playing soccer.

I can't remember the stat exactly, but a motorcyclist is about 40x more likely to die as a result of riding, than the average idiot behind the wheel of a car.

All that said, I am a father, and if my son wants to race, I'll sell a kidney if needed to get him a bike/kart.
 
You'd be surprised just how many kids are racing motorcycles out there, whether on asphalt or dirt. In the end, statistically, the kid has a much higher chance of dying in a car accident on his way to the track, then dying at the track.

I'd just like to say that again, News are altering perceptions here. Its the same way airline crashes are nationalized like nuts but in grand scheme of things, flying IS and HAS been the defacto safest way to travel. Ofcourse when the news outlets get to write about something sensationalist they take every opportunity to do so, and blow it out of proportion. They are worse than vultures and tow truck drivers.

[h=2]Odds[/h] The National Safety Council compiled an odds-of-dying table for 2008, which further illustrates the relative risks of flying and driving safety. It calculated the odds of dying in a motor vehicle accident to be 1 in 98 for a lifetime. For air and space transport (including air taxis and private flights), the odds were 1 in 7,178 for a lifetime, according to the table.
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Renboy said:
So many things to say about this article/thread.

First off, the writer is a complete idiot if he believes that kids don't know what they want or love. That's all they know, they are pure hedonists driven entirely by desire. Has anyone met a child that could rationalize away a desire? No, if you give them ice cream for breakfast, they giggle, smile and walk away happy. Health, nutrition and waist line doesn't figure into the equation at all.

Secondly, motorcycle racing is more dangerous than other sports. 1 in 1000 die on the track, that's fine and might be a very accurate stat. But, how many people actually go to the track? Maybe 10 in 1000 (general population) which means 1 in 10 die there. It should be quite clear that you can't die at a track if you don't go. I am 100% certain I will not die ice fishing, fishing is boring as fak and sitting on ice doesn't appeal to me either. Yes other sports can be dangerous/fatal, but the chances of fatality in other sports is much lower. The example of the kid getting hit in the sternum playing baseball, for every kid racing, there's probably 300 playing baseball, or basketball, or football. And lets be honest, it's only Italians that get injured playing soccer.

I can't remember the stat exactly, but a motorcyclist is about 40x more likely to die as a result of riding, than the average idiot behind the wheel of a car.

All that said, I am a father, and if my son wants to race, I'll sell a kidney if needed to get him a bike/kart.
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I think the problem with those stats is that they don't incorporate the amount of time/distance that each method of transportation is used. The average person drives 20,000kms and spends maybe 300hrs in a car per year. However, the average flight distance/time might be 2000kms and 8hrs per year per person. I don't know the stats, they could be higher or lower, just using examples for illustration.
 
bunmanchi said:
i still say that the risk of injury is greater in MC racing, than any other sport you could put a child in.
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as I tod you yesterday, Sex with a Shark is a lot more dangerous and some may consider it a sport
 
Renboy said:
1 in 1000 die on the track, that's fine and might be a very accurate stat. But, how many people actually go to the track? Maybe 10 in 1000 (general population) which means 1 in 10 die there. It should be quite clear that you can't die at a track if you don't go. .
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Renboy said:
I think the problem with those stats is that they don't incorporate the amount of time/distance that each method of transportation is used. The average person drives 20,000kms and spends maybe 300hrs in a car per year. However, the average flight distance/time might be 2000kms and 8hrs per year per person. I don't know the stats, they could be higher or lower, just using examples for illustration.
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WTF?! That is so stupendously wrong. You really need to learn about basic statistical analysis.

Basic statistical stuff...

Lifetime odds already account for averaging based on mileage, accident rates, amount of time, etc. That is why it is called lifetime odds/risks/etc!

The only thing that kicks in those odds is whether you do the activity or not.


Edit, while my earlier links looked like I'm correct, that was not the case. In trying to find more information to clear things up for us all, I found out that the vague information in the link for motorcycle racing was actually annual risk, not lifetime. So I've updated car accidents and motorcycle racing to annual risks below. This means it is the risk of dying doing that activity over a year.

You have an annual risk of death in motorcycle racing of 1 in 1000, choosing to do that activity.
You have a annual risk of death in a car accident of 1 in 6000 to 8000, choosing to do that activity.

So you have about 7X more risk dying motorcycle racing than you do dying in a car accident over a year. To interpret that as much more or not much different at all is going to be a personal judgement. I'll leave it at that.

Pat of my point was that most people don't realize how risky even basic human activities are.
 
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kwtoxman said:
WTF?! That is so stupendously wrong. You really need to learn about basic statistical analysis.
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No, I was just going off the vague info posted here and understood it as basically a list of how people die based on a sample of 1000 people where the sum of the list incorporates all 1000 people.
 
I'm curious to know, the people who are strongly against their kids being on a motorcycle (dirt bike or road bike), when did you start riding and what type of riding do you do?
 
In a small town outside of London when I was growing up, the boys who lived on both sides of me had dirtbikes. Neither of my parents rode motorcycles, so as far as they were concerned, they were "murdercycles". It was very hard for me as an 8 yr old to explain to them how much I wanted to ride. I took any and every opportunity I could to ride with both neighbours. Finally my dad said I could have one if I paid for it. I got a paper route and began saving. In one yr, I saved enough to buy a bike I found locally. My parents had thought I would never be able to save the money up so they figured it was an empty promise. To their dismay I bought the bike and began to ride it. Amusingly enough, by the time I was 15, I had taught both my mom and dad how to ride, and they each had a bike of their own. The day after I turned 16 I got both my car and bike beginners. Basically I haven't been bikeless in the past 30 yrs.
 
i started riding a yamaha dt100 when i was 15

Yes, I bugged my parents for a bike when i was younger, and they said no.
they told me to wait until i was older..

its funny how you think the parents dont have a clue, until you become one, and then you see that 99% of the time, your parents were right.
maybe some kids are more mature at a younger age than others, maybe some are physically stronger than others as well,
But i do know this...
If i was riding that bike at 12, i would probably have killed myself doing something retarded.
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