So called upgrades, Why Bother?

[Mina]

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It's you. All I said, how can you trust a modded bike. That would include the odometer. On my bike, it's as easy as a screwdriver pressing on the tab and pulling out the cable and tie wrapping it out of the way. You are not required to report km to mto for a bike. If odometer fraud happens it's the buyer who is being defrauded with misinformation. That's another subject. The point is a modded bike is worth less not more than a bike in original condition.

You're all over the place man and you seem to know quite a bit about playing with mileage.
I am not disputing that a 5000$ bike with a 2000$ exhaust is NOT worth 7000$. However, I wouldn't mind paying a few hundred dollars extra for something that would cost me a lot more down the road.

 

[murf]

It's you. All I said, how can you trust a modded bike. That would include the odometer. On my bike, it's as easy as a screwdriver pressing on the tab and pulling out the cable and tie wrapping it out of the way. You are not required to report km to mto for a bike. If odometer fraud happens it's the buyer who is being defrauded with misinformation. That's another subject. The point is a modded bike is worth less not more than a bike in original condition.

I've bought and sold bikes for more $ with race parts. Depends on the buyer and what he wants. A buyer didn't want to pay extra for the penske shock but wanted the pipe, powercommander etc on my bike. So I put the stock shock back on. No big deal.

 

[Mina]

I've bought and sold bikes for more $ with race parts. Depends on the buyer and what he wants. A buyer didn't want to pay extra for the penske shock but wanted the pipe, powercommander etc on my bike. So I put the stock shock back on. No big deal.

What? How dare you?... lol j/k

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

You're all over the place man and you seem to know quite a bit about playing with mileage.
I am not disputing that a 5000$ bike with a 2000$ exhaust is NOT worth 7000$. However, I wouldn't mind paying a few hundred dollars extra for something that would cost me a lot more down the road.

Alot of performance mods such as exhaust is more hype than actual gains. I was amazed when looking through autotrader, kijiji, craigslist at the asking prices of bikes with mods. Unbelievable.

I've bought and sold bikes for more $ with race parts. Depends on the buyer and what he wants. A buyer didn't want to pay extra for the penske shock but wanted the pipe, powercommander etc on my bike. So I put the stock shock back on. No big deal.

So you wanted the buyer to pay for your mods and you asked a higher price for your bike. We have a thread winner.

 

[mmmnaked]

So you wanted the buyer to pay for your mods and you asked a higher price for your bike. We have a thread winner.

When it comes to track bikes, most people will gladly pay extra for mods if they feel they're gonna want those same mods on whichever bike they buy.

If you're gonna modify a bike or car, and you find one that already received the royal treatment, why wouldn't you pay a little extra for it?

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

When it comes to track bikes, most people will gladly pay extra for mods if they feel they're gonna want those same mods on whichever bike they buy.

If you're gonna modify a bike or car, and you find one that already received the royal treatment, why wouldn't you pay a little extra for it?

Alot of mods are like snake oil, all sizzle no steak. Original condition is worth more. Look at any vintage auction for cars with matching numbers throughout the car to those that don't.

 

[mmmnaked]

Alot of mods are like snake oil, all sizzle no steak. Original condition is worth more. Look at any vintage auction for cars with matching numbers throughout the car to those that don't.

Well no offense buddy but you're new to this motorcycling thing and you've obviously never shopped around for a track bike (or ridden one) so your opinion here doesn't carry a lot of merit.

There are cetain mods on certain bikes that are must-haves and if you're looking to start racing or doing track days, you can save money by buying bikes which already have said mods installed. Exhausts, brake master cylinders and lines, pads and rotors, safety wiring, power commanders or ecu upgrades, wheels, etc etc. I cant name how many things people can save tons of money on by buying a bike already equipped with some or all of those mods. If I'm shopping for a track bike I already know I'll want a lot of this stuff because it'll come in handy, and that bike will be worth more to me than a stock one.

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

Well no offense buddy but you're new to this motorcycling thing and you've obviously never shopped around for a track bike (or ridden one) so your opinion here doesn't carry a lot of merit.

There are cetain mods on certain bikes that are must-haves and if you're looking to start racing or doing track days, you can save money by buying bikes which already have said mods installed. Exhausts, brake master cylinders and lines, pads and rotors, safety wiring, power commanders or ecu upgrades, wheels, etc etc. I cant name how many things people can save tons of money on by buying a bike already equipped with some or all of those mods. If I'm shopping for a track bike I already know I'll want a lot of this stuff because it'll come in handy, and that bike will be worth more to me than a stock one.

Your post is out to lunch. I am new? my register date is before yours. This forum has a track section, are we in that section? The audience of this category is the street, not the track.

 

[油井緋色]

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I think we've got a mom here.

 

[mmmnaked]

Your post is out to lunch. I am new? my register date is before yours. This forum has a track section, are we in that section? The audience of this category is the street, not the track.

Your previous posts suggest that you're a new rider as of last year or that you got back into riding or something. Your join date reflects that. Like I said, it's obvious that you haven't shopped for track bikes and my point was in relation to murf's post about selling bikes with race parts.

I've bought and sold enough bikes to know that certain mods can easily help sell a bike for more than it would if it were stock. People can recognize good value in expensive aftermarket parts, and while the seller wont recoup 100% of what they spent, they can definitely get more than if the bike was stock. This goes for street bikes and especially track bikes.

And I'll remind you that the audience of this forum is motorcycles, not numbers-matching vintage cars as you like to use in example.

 

[bitzz]

What a pissing contest this turned into!

What you fail to realize is that different people VALUE different things. Some want a pipe, some want stock, some want the whole Magilla.

Quit trying to impress each other and go read R. Persig's "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". You might learn something... like Value is subjective.

 

[high side]

my ohlins damper, i put on my 929, is a life saver.best aftermarket part so far.my knees dont spank the tank anymore.

 

[ItIsWhatItIs]

Your previous posts suggest that you're a new rider as of last year or that you got back into riding or something. Your join date reflects that. Like I said, it's obvious that you haven't shopped for track bikes and my point was in relation to murf's post about selling bikes with race parts.

I've bought and sold enough bikes to know that certain mods can easily help sell a bike for more than it would if it were stock. People can recognize good value in expensive aftermarket parts, and while the seller wont recoup 100% of what they spent, they can definitely get more than if the bike was stock. This goes for street bikes and especially track bikes.

And I'll remind you that the audience of this forum is motorcycles, not numbers-matching vintage cars as you like to use in example.

You are talking a very small part of the motorcycle market. Not everyone is shopping for a bike to be a weekend track warrior. Look through the classifieds, track bikes are worth less than street bikes. What does that say? If anything a modded bike is scaring away potential buyers, and not drawing them in as you say. There are plenty of ads boasting unraced, garage kept, never seen rain, and so on. Why is that? New like and original is what buyers are looking for. Yeah, this a bike forum, using vintage cars as an example of value reveals what creates value at auctions.

 

[RetroGrouch]

Very nice CB750 with original paint. Prime restoration candidate or "potential cafe" as they are better known as today.

 

[mmmnaked]

You are talking a very small part of the motorcycle market. Not everyone is shopping for a bike to be a weekend track warrior. Look through the classifieds, track bikes are worth less than street bikes. What does that say? If anything a modded bike is scaring away potential buyers, and not drawing them in as you say. There are plenty of ads boasting unraced, garage kept, never seen rain, and so on. Why is that? New like and original is what buyers are looking for. Yeah, this a bike forum, using vintage cars as an example of value reveals what creates value at auctions.

Selling a modified bike narrows the market but also means that if you find someone who likes those mods they will give you a premium for them. When Im buying a sport bike (and I've bought plenty) I already know which modifications I'm gonna do to it. If one comes along on the market with the same mods I'm definitely paying a premium for it. Why? Because I know I'm actually saving money. The best of both worlds is when the seller has the stock parts to go along with the bike as well, which serves as proof that it wasn't modified because of an accident.

Have a look around the scene and tell me how many bikes out there have stock exhausts for example? That's one part that most sport bike owners change almost immediately, so it's clearly in demand. An aftermarket exhaust doesn't lower the value of a used bike. Neither does a fender eliminator, another mod just about everybody will do to their bike.

I acknowledge that there are people out there who value factory oem used bikes, but youre completely dismissing the rest of the market in which people also value aftermarket modifications and will pay a premium for them. I've bought and sold enough sportbikes to know this for a fact, from experience.

 

[overlordjd]

Most people looking to purchase a new bike would rather buy one that has been well kept, never raced, never seen rain never tracked and all original with maybe the exception of exhaust and cosmetic things like levers/windshield/frame sliders.

Once they have theys bikes, they then like to buy all the aftermarket stuff already on some of these race setup bikes for cheap and put them on their babied bike themselves.


I've always bought new bikes or bikes that have barely been broken in to minimize the chance the bike has been abused.

With all that said, the value of any given bike is subjective based on the buyer

 

[mmmnaked]

Personalization often comes with pride of ownership. This idea that modified bikes are abused and ill maintained is ludicrous. Who buys a bike and then sinks thousands of dollars into modifying it, only to skimp out on oil changes and beat the hell out of their baby even more than if it were all stock? That's just LOL.

I modify every one of my bikes and they're meticulously maintained and far from abused. The discerning buyer will know this.

 

[murf]

So you wanted the buyer to pay for your mods and you asked a higher price for your bike. We have a thread winner.

he did pay extra for the parts he wanted, put the stock shock back on since he didn't want that. Your blanket statement that all bike modifications reduce the bikes worth is not true. To some people maybe, by seeing how many bikes have aftermarket exhausts the vast majority want a good exhaust. My SV1000 sold for more over a stock one cause it had the Yoshimura exhaust and the buyer loved the sound. Proof enough for me.

 

[stormcat]

Very nice CB750 with original paint. Prime restoration candidate or "potential cafe" as they are better known as today.

Agreed! When I see old gems like this, I think about how wonderful they'd be with some love and attention.

 

[Andreas]

I don't like loud exhausts, or signals that are less visible than the OEM ones, and these are what people do first. *shrug*

+1

I hate dull aftermarket sigals, or the bright ones that are flush with the body work. Buddy of mine has some flush mounts I can't even see in the day time.

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