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Bye Bye Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
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It is spelled badly and I should have proof read it before posting, unfortunately once posted I cannot edit the title.
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It is spelled badly and I should have proof read it before posting, unfortunately once posted I cannot edit the title.
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Re: BY By Tommy boy Ford kicked out!!
BAHAHAHA...Rob's going to win the next election! I don't care either way since I live outside TO but like I've been telling my liberal/socialist friends, Torontonians are taxed more then most and they (or the majority) will put up with almost anything to save a buck in tax. Don't throw out your Ford Nation t-shirts.
BAHAHAHA...Rob's going to win the next election! I don't care either way since I live outside TO but like I've been telling my liberal/socialist friends, Torontonians are taxed more then most and they (or the majority) will put up with almost anything to save a buck in tax. Don't throw out your Ford Nation t-shirts.
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I agree. I don't live in Toronto anymore but I would be glad to see Rob Ford elected again.
I agree. I don't live in Toronto anymore but I would be glad to see Rob Ford elected again.
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+1 for Bush...I'm enjoying my 1.10 : 1.00 CDN to USD exchange rate.
+1 for Bush...I'm enjoying my 1.10 : 1.00 CDN to USD exchange rate.
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Actually Torontonians are taxed LESS than most. That's comparing real dollars. If you look at city revenues from US cities they raise much less in property tax, but make that up in sales taxes and a 4x larger contribution from the federal gov't. And if Ford really had saved $1Billion, my taxes should be going down and not up by about the same amount they always have over the past 15 years that I have been a homeowner in the city.
Here is an interesting analysis:
http://fordfortoronto.mattelliott.c...to-budget-explained-with-three-simple-charts/
Actually Torontonians are taxed LESS than most. That's comparing real dollars. If you look at city revenues from US cities they raise much less in property tax, but make that up in sales taxes and a 4x larger contribution from the federal gov't. And if Ford really had saved $1Billion, my taxes should be going down and not up by about the same amount they always have over the past 15 years that I have been a homeowner in the city.
Here is an interesting analysis:
http://fordfortoronto.mattelliott.c...to-budget-explained-with-three-simple-charts/
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OK. TO is the tax haven of the region (Southern Ontario before you pull statistics for Mexico) Lol.
I think if you take comparable properties, building and lot sizes, across the region and compare your REAL DOLLAR property tax bill I don't think you would still agree with Matt.
And, don't forget TOs land transfer tax for the privilege of buying into TO, user fees, etc.
OK. TO is the tax haven of the region (Southern Ontario before you pull statistics for Mexico) Lol.
I think if you take comparable properties, building and lot sizes, across the region and compare your REAL DOLLAR property tax bill I don't think you would still agree with Matt.
And, don't forget TOs land transfer tax for the privilege of buying into TO, user fees, etc.
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Now consider the real dollar values of those properties and the percentage tax people pay for them, and you'll see that Torontonians win on both counts. There has also traditionally been a higher rate of service received for those dollars. Mayors have refused to raise taxes with the real costs in the city, for decades, because no one wants to pay the real cost of doing business. As a result the roads are crumbling, the bridges and The Gardiner are failing, the sewers are leaking, and the water pipes are bursting, creating sinkholes in various places around the city.
Now consider the real dollar values of those properties and the percentage tax people pay for them, and you'll see that Torontonians win on both counts. There has also traditionally been a higher rate of service received for those dollars. Mayors have refused to raise taxes with the real costs in the city, for decades, because no one wants to pay the real cost of doing business. As a result the roads are crumbling, the bridges and The Gardiner are failing, the sewers are leaking, and the water pipes are bursting, creating sinkholes in various places around the city.
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Bbbbbbbutttt.. The gravy train must stop!!!!
Bbbbbbbutttt.. The gravy train must stop!!!!
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I'm all for the elimination of waste. If I was a citizen of Toronto I think that I'd have voted for Ford too, based on the poor alternatives, and I try to do just that on a daily basis by advising clients when it makes fiscal sense to replace existing equipment, rather than repair it. I don't like throwing anything out but when fixing something is going to cost 10% more than replacing it, I have a responsibility to raise the issue. Not doing so would be wasting money provided both by taxpayers, and students.
Odd, isn't it, that there hasn't been a whole lot of progress on that whole gravy train thing, isn't it? To the point that Ford has to add things that clearly aren't 'gravy' to his total, to try and get a nice $1B number.
I'm all for the elimination of waste. If I was a citizen of Toronto I think that I'd have voted for Ford too, based on the poor alternatives, and I try to do just that on a daily basis by advising clients when it makes fiscal sense to replace existing equipment, rather than repair it. I don't like throwing anything out but when fixing something is going to cost 10% more than replacing it, I have a responsibility to raise the issue. Not doing so would be wasting money provided both by taxpayers, and students.
Odd, isn't it, that there hasn't been a whole lot of progress on that whole gravy train thing, isn't it? To the point that Ford has to add things that clearly aren't 'gravy' to his total, to try and get a nice $1B number.
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I hope that people can now stop complaining about this.
I hope that people can now stop complaining about this.
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I'd have picked him over the broomstick up the rectum or the cow any day of the week and dealt with the embarrassment. With that being said, I'd vote for someone willing to make the hard choices including raising the property tax rate if he'll spend that money wisely and start working on cleaning up our crumbling infrastructure.
I'd have picked him over the broomstick up the rectum or the cow any day of the week and dealt with the embarrassment. With that being said, I'd vote for someone willing to make the hard choices including raising the property tax rate if he'll spend that money wisely and start working on cleaning up our crumbling infrastructure.
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As is per usual the person with in my opinion the best platform (Soknacki) and makes the most sense won't have a shot in hell as Torontonians seem to want a circus of higher profile people on extremes who just take whatever position they feel will get votes not what is best for the city. divisive politics is never good in the long run.
Unless we vote in a balanced centerist (which I would like to think of myself as) the city is destined to swing from one extreme to the next.
Miller caused Ford and ford will cause Chow to win (my prediction not necessarily my vote) and then we go back to the extreme right.
The reality is that the mayor is one vote on council and unless you can work with others and rally people to your view point with knowledgeable talking points not bullying, nothing will get done. The real democracy and power comes when you vote for the councillor that will represent your ward. I encourage everyone to take a closer look at their councillor this election, their voting record, antics in council and accomplishments for your ward and for the greater good of the city. The food truck fiasco yesterday was a great example of council not having a clue what many citizens want.
What I can give Rob Ford credit for is getting people to get involved and pay attention to local politics. I used to never know what went on at council and now I pay attention and have concluded most councillors aren't worth the space they take up.
As is per usual the person with in my opinion the best platform (Soknacki) and makes the most sense won't have a shot in hell as Torontonians seem to want a circus of higher profile people on extremes who just take whatever position they feel will get votes not what is best for the city. divisive politics is never good in the long run.
Unless we vote in a balanced centerist (which I would like to think of myself as) the city is destined to swing from one extreme to the next.
Miller caused Ford and ford will cause Chow to win (my prediction not necessarily my vote) and then we go back to the extreme right.
The reality is that the mayor is one vote on council and unless you can work with others and rally people to your view point with knowledgeable talking points not bullying, nothing will get done. The real democracy and power comes when you vote for the councillor that will represent your ward. I encourage everyone to take a closer look at their councillor this election, their voting record, antics in council and accomplishments for your ward and for the greater good of the city. The food truck fiasco yesterday was a great example of council not having a clue what many citizens want.
What I can give Rob Ford credit for is getting people to get involved and pay attention to local politics. I used to never know what went on at council and now I pay attention and have concluded most councillors aren't worth the space they take up.
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Actual, honest-to goodness efficiency improvements (meaning doing more for less) have been in the region of $150M/year, and that's true for the past 10 years. Yes, regardless of who's mayor. Of course this particular mayor can't just accept credit for that, he has to lie about $1B savings, because lying is all he knows how to do.
Here's the real deal; we have $2.2B dollar infrastructure backlog projected for 2019; double what it would have been before the Ford cuts. We have the largest single-item property tax increase in our history to fund a $1.6B Ford subway upgrade we don't need. And it will delay construction for 4 more years. And this is Ford's model for all the other transit projects underway. A preliminary estimate projects that Ford's transit meddling it will add $4B to the $8B cost of Transit City. He thinks other governements will fund it, but they didn't have the money for it 20 years ago, when Mike Harris cancelled the full Sheppard subway plan (now stubway), and had them fill the hole they dug for the Eglinton subway (which was more important but had fewer PC voters).
And now, the province has even less money!
Political meddling with transportation plans has been a disaster every single time, (including Miller's Jarvis pet project), and Ford's "subways, subways, subways!" is no different. It's simply absurd. There is no serious transit planner who supports Ford's "plan", and the more people learn about it, the more they favour LRTs. The amount of ink that's been spilled, the earnest discussions between factions, as if subways were ever a realistic option. It's ridiculous. Nobody was talking about "subways for everyone" before Ford came along, and in all honesty his complete rationale for the changed is based on his demonstrated ignorance on transit; http://youtu.be/_vCpKUNRBEw?t=2m22s
This is what happens when we elect ignorant boobs to office; they get take seriously and make a mess of the hard work that needs to be done to not only keep up with a growing city but catch up to past cuts.
Bottom line is, cutting everything and needlessly raising the standard for transit is just another way for Ford to stall progress for another decade. He's just digging a bigger infrastructure hole for us to crawl out of. Until another progressive comes along to catch up again, start rebuilding the city, and taking all the flak for increasing the budget when that is exactly what we were set up for.
As for the LTT, that's had a beneficial effect of controlling the growth in property values. In fact, nobody is paying more for their homes, all that's happened is instead of $200M/year going to property speculators (flippers), it's going to the city, and it reduces the risk of a RE bubble. Good deal no matter how you look at it.
BTW, it's no coincindence that so many of Ford's supporters are outside TO; he's good for them! You, GP_RZ, ZX600... In fact his very first fundraiser is scheduled to take place in Vaughan. http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/04/03/rob_fords_first_big_fundraiser_is_set_for_vaughan.html
Seriously, please, take him from us. Just make sure you leave your city before your kids have to face the mess he makes.
That's true for every urban area on the planet. It's justified by the higher level of services and cost of doing business in the city. The need for more money is piled on when elected nitwits neglect their responsibilities for years under the pretense of "efficiencies" (they're actually cuts). It's even worse than debt because we're stealing from our futures to save money now.
Actual, honest-to goodness efficiency improvements (meaning doing more for less) have been in the region of $150M/year, and that's true for the past 10 years. Yes, regardless of who's mayor. Of course this particular mayor can't just accept credit for that, he has to lie about $1B savings, because lying is all he knows how to do.
Here's the real deal; we have $2.2B dollar infrastructure backlog projected for 2019; double what it would have been before the Ford cuts. We have the largest single-item property tax increase in our history to fund a $1.6B Ford subway upgrade we don't need. And it will delay construction for 4 more years. And this is Ford's model for all the other transit projects underway. A preliminary estimate projects that Ford's transit meddling it will add $4B to the $8B cost of Transit City. He thinks other governements will fund it, but they didn't have the money for it 20 years ago, when Mike Harris cancelled the full Sheppard subway plan (now stubway), and had them fill the hole they dug for the Eglinton subway (which was more important but had fewer PC voters).
And now, the province has even less money!
Political meddling with transportation plans has been a disaster every single time, (including Miller's Jarvis pet project), and Ford's "subways, subways, subways!" is no different. It's simply absurd. There is no serious transit planner who supports Ford's "plan", and the more people learn about it, the more they favour LRTs. The amount of ink that's been spilled, the earnest discussions between factions, as if subways were ever a realistic option. It's ridiculous. Nobody was talking about "subways for everyone" before Ford came along, and in all honesty his complete rationale for the changed is based on his demonstrated ignorance on transit; http://youtu.be/_vCpKUNRBEw?t=2m22s
This is what happens when we elect ignorant boobs to office; they get take seriously and make a mess of the hard work that needs to be done to not only keep up with a growing city but catch up to past cuts.
Bottom line is, cutting everything and needlessly raising the standard for transit is just another way for Ford to stall progress for another decade. He's just digging a bigger infrastructure hole for us to crawl out of. Until another progressive comes along to catch up again, start rebuilding the city, and taking all the flak for increasing the budget when that is exactly what we were set up for.
As for the LTT, that's had a beneficial effect of controlling the growth in property values. In fact, nobody is paying more for their homes, all that's happened is instead of $200M/year going to property speculators (flippers), it's going to the city, and it reduces the risk of a RE bubble. Good deal no matter how you look at it.
BTW, it's no coincindence that so many of Ford's supporters are outside TO; he's good for them! You, GP_RZ, ZX600... In fact his very first fundraiser is scheduled to take place in Vaughan. http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/04/03/rob_fords_first_big_fundraiser_is_set_for_vaughan.html
Seriously, please, take him from us. Just make sure you leave your city before your kids have to face the mess he makes.
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Not sure how you came to a conclusion that RoFo is good for me since I don't live in Toronto .... For me he just filled up a paper I read daily and made me laugh at times. I guess laughing is good for anyone's health, right?
Now it looks like we have another rogue mayor in GTA and this time, guess what ... the gravy train actually does apply 100% in her case.
They all have to go, it's simple as that .... lies, criminal acts and mismanagement should not be tolerated in any city or town.
Not sure how you came to a conclusion that RoFo is good for me since I don't live in Toronto .... For me he just filled up a paper I read daily and made me laugh at times. I guess laughing is good for anyone's health, right?
Now it looks like we have another rogue mayor in GTA and this time, guess what ... the gravy train actually does apply 100% in her case.
They all have to go, it's simple as that .... lies, criminal acts and mismanagement should not be tolerated in any city or town.
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I will argue ... that the attention is for all the wrong reasons. It's about who did he run over today in the council, why was he the only one voting against things .... it's not about people being genuinely interested what's going on or not going and should be going on in their city and local politics in general.
I will argue ... that the attention is for all the wrong reasons. It's about who did he run over today in the council, why was he the only one voting against things .... it's not about people being genuinely interested what's going on or not going and should be going on in their city and local politics in general.
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I see your point but feel the circus got the attention and now people are finding out the other stuff about his politics.
He votes against things out of spite often without thinking. He voted against honouring our olympic athletes and Mandela and then a half hour after being criticized he says he messed up and wants to re-vote but its pretty clear he just hits the NO button on most things council is for. He revels in being the outsider and voting against many things popular with council lets him complain. He doesn't lead he picks fights. He placed several holds on issues only to rant on them yesterday and lose a unanimous vote. I would ague that at least those who I talk to are talking about the policies he stands for or claims to and then votes against them. I know I now pay attention to the cessions at city hall and didn't before. His voting is for show not for politics. He champions something then votes against it so he can claim both sides in his scrums. When called out on his lies he just walks away. Its his tactic and its well documented and people are talking about it as they should.
I see your point but feel the circus got the attention and now people are finding out the other stuff about his politics.
He votes against things out of spite often without thinking. He voted against honouring our olympic athletes and Mandela and then a half hour after being criticized he says he messed up and wants to re-vote but its pretty clear he just hits the NO button on most things council is for. He revels in being the outsider and voting against many things popular with council lets him complain. He doesn't lead he picks fights. He placed several holds on issues only to rant on them yesterday and lose a unanimous vote. I would ague that at least those who I talk to are talking about the policies he stands for or claims to and then votes against them. I know I now pay attention to the cessions at city hall and didn't before. His voting is for show not for politics. He champions something then votes against it so he can claim both sides in his scrums. When called out on his lies he just walks away. Its his tactic and its well documented and people are talking about it as they should.
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Oh I am not talking about RoFo gravy train ... I knew there was no gravy train there long time ago .... his budgetary savings claims is something I achieve every year in my line of management and probably most mayors in Canada ... LOL
I am talking about the serious gravy train which has been passing through Brampton for some long time ....
Oh I am not talking about RoFo gravy train ... I knew there was no gravy train there long time ago .... his budgetary savings claims is something I achieve every year in my line of management and probably most mayors in Canada ... LOL
I am talking about the serious gravy train which has been passing through Brampton for some long time ....
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