National Post Article re Excessive Noise
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dieselxx
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Lol. Only in Canada. Such a nanny country. Although I agree up to a point, especially with the loud revving at stoplights which I never understood.
I don't know why people do that.
However, at speed I don't really think its an issue. The whole experience of riding and enjoying a motorcycle is the feel and sound.
Instead of condoning motorcycles and making all these stupid laws, how about we enjoy and savour the remarkable engineering and beauty of these machines.
How about educating cagers on motorcycle safety and watching out for them while driving.
I am sure motos are more fuel efficient than cars and help relieve traffic congestion.
Instead the government should be trying to get more people on motorcycles. Not stupidlaws like 172 condoning filtering and splitting at stoplights.
The author needs to stop being such a loser wimp and get on a moto for himself. Probably wife won't let him.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with speeding and stupidity on a moto or loudness at stoplights, but this takes it to far IMO. End of rant lol
I don't know why people do that.
However, at speed I don't really think its an issue. The whole experience of riding and enjoying a motorcycle is the feel and sound.
Instead of condoning motorcycles and making all these stupid laws, how about we enjoy and savour the remarkable engineering and beauty of these machines.
How about educating cagers on motorcycle safety and watching out for them while driving.
I am sure motos are more fuel efficient than cars and help relieve traffic congestion.
Instead the government should be trying to get more people on motorcycles. Not stupidlaws like 172 condoning filtering and splitting at stoplights.
The author needs to stop being such a loser wimp and get on a moto for himself. Probably wife won't let him.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with speeding and stupidity on a moto or loudness at stoplights, but this takes it to far IMO. End of rant lol
It's an issue - one rider we went with to PA had straight pipes and the courtesy to stay behind the other riders. Guy was going the other way on a local street here and my ears hurt even with helmet and earphones in
I'm 100 percent for noise limits and that includes cars. A Porche that went by up at the Forks yesterday was way over the top as well.
I've had several people note how quiet the Burgman 650 is and come up and say so. i remembered be astounded a Wing could be so quiet.
Article is not bad for the National Pest and friends in the Niagara area would surely appreciate it - their backgarden is next to the acceleration lane in Fonthill.
Hell even airports have noise limits far below what too many bikes put out. Either the riders will be sensible or they'll be legislated....their choice
I'm 100 percent for noise limits and that includes cars. A Porche that went by up at the Forks yesterday was way over the top as well.
I've had several people note how quiet the Burgman 650 is and come up and say so. i remembered be astounded a Wing could be so quiet.
Article is not bad for the National Pest and friends in the Niagara area would surely appreciate it - their backgarden is next to the acceleration lane in Fonthill.
Hell even airports have noise limits far below what too many bikes put out. Either the riders will be sensible or they'll be legislated....their choice
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I ride with a group in the Buffalo area, they can be ticketed for installing aftermarket exhaust, so many don't, and it's awesome. I don't equate noise with enjoyment, I haven't put hockey cards in the spokes of my bicycle in 40 years, I grew up. Look-at-me mufflers do nothing for the riding experience to me. This weekend I rode with a friend who had one of the loudest pipes I've spent time around, I don't know how that's even bearable, shockingly loud.
Griffin
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Condone = allow. FYI.
Prohibit = don't allow.
Loud pipes annoy the hell out of everyone having to hear them. If you think they don't bother people when you are at speed, you have another think coming. Everyone behind them is annoyed. Every house and farm and town they go past is annoyed.
I think he meant to type "condemn", but yeah, there's a bit of irony in that spelling fail, LOL.
I have a initial legislative solution that doesn't involve testing on the street.
Require a 1000% tax on non-OEM exhaust sold (whether imported or at the store). This will limit it to people with disposable income who really need to be the focus of attention.
Require a 1000% tax on non-OEM exhaust sold (whether imported or at the store). This will limit it to people with disposable income who really need to be the focus of attention.
Postscript: It was also a good article as the author took the time to talk to someone as opposed to solely writing how unfair life is.
What is coming in the future is people who will set up speakers in their bikes to make noises. For the Toyota Prius people complained that it was too quiet a vehicle and due to the epidemic of schoolchildren and puppies getting run over and killed by Priuses, they now have to have a speaker that plays a recording of an engine noise.
Likewise electric motorcycles (I don't say bikes for this) like the Zero with 100+ hp and standard issue to police in Colombia now. The Zero doesn't need an exhaust pipe, so if you are an attention seeker you will need to use the space to mount speakers and subwoofers and play lots of music so people's lives will be saved by your good taste in hip-hop.
What is coming in the future is people who will set up speakers in their bikes to make noises. For the Toyota Prius people complained that it was too quiet a vehicle and due to the epidemic of schoolchildren and puppies getting run over and killed by Priuses, they now have to have a speaker that plays a recording of an engine noise.
Likewise electric motorcycles (I don't say bikes for this) like the Zero with 100+ hp and standard issue to police in Colombia now. The Zero doesn't need an exhaust pipe, so if you are an attention seeker you will need to use the space to mount speakers and subwoofers and play lots of music so people's lives will be saved by your good taste in hip-hop.
I have to disagree.
Argument of noise aside, that article was a slanderous, angst ridden piece of trash.
Yet the previous 2 paragraphs do just that:
I understand that it is a commentary piece, but the least the author could do is make consistent arguments, and not just vent like he writing in his high-school journal.
Just irks me, because people will go begin reading this article and already be spoon-fed this biased dribble before even getting to the point. It does get into some more objective and valid points, but the "motorcyclists are dangerous idiots" bit was just unnecessary.
But on the point - quiet bikes made loud for the sake of being loud are plainly stupid.
Really?
That's the grossest example of class segregation. Not to mention that aftermarket does not necessarily equal loud. I could just pull the can from the end of the header, doesn't get much louder than that.
And what of anyone who is interested in aftermarket systems for track bikes?
Loud is bullsht... idiots on sportbikes with shorty cans, idiots on Harleys with open pipes.. they should all be ticketed into oblivion. Talk about selfish entitlement. I'm sure we've all been out walking around (especially downtown) when a moron on a Harley rides by and all conversations have to stop until he's gone. Makes me want to run out on the street and smash their faces in.
We live in a class segregated society. The problem is now that the issue of modified vehicles to make noise (whether cars with subwoofers or otherwise) is now so prevalent that a legislative solution is going to be imposed.
It is now "on the radar" as they have succeeded in drawing attention on a regular basis as opposed to the rare 1-off that it might have been before. They'll just pass a legislative amendment. Maybe more tickets maybe none, but it'll be on the books and it won't be as much fun anymore knowing that it can be grounds for a stop and question.
Remember all those cars in 2000 that used to have tinted black windows and blue lights on their wipers and neons underneath and around their license plates? They didn't go out of style, they were legislated.
It is now "on the radar" as they have succeeded in drawing attention on a regular basis as opposed to the rare 1-off that it might have been before. They'll just pass a legislative amendment. Maybe more tickets maybe none, but it'll be on the books and it won't be as much fun anymore knowing that it can be grounds for a stop and question.
Remember all those cars in 2000 that used to have tinted black windows and blue lights on their wipers and neons underneath and around their license plates? They didn't go out of style, they were legislated.
Craneopbru
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You're right, it wasn't a bad piece. It was a horrible, poorly written, incoherent piece of diatribe that isn't worth the hard drive space that it's stored on.
It is nothing more than a cry-baby whining about the noise outside his condo. Don't get me wrong, I hate those retards rolling around on Harleys with straight pipes as much as the next guy. But the author doesn't even know what he's against. He starts off with a picture of a cruiser captioned with the brilliant and oh so accurate headline of; "If people want to engage in high-risk speed-driving, they should be made to do it in relative silence."
What does the video of that guy with the R6 have to do with anything ? Especially when the guy even admits that it's too loud for the street. How many supersports are actually running around with straight pipes? What does the video of the cruiser on rosedale valley road show ? Is that supposed to be helping his case ? If noisy motorcycles are such a huge problem around there, why not do some real journalism and go down, record some video of it himself and get some decibel readings ?
What really bothers me though is this assertion that the existing noise laws are unenforceable. WHAT ??? The law SPECIFICALLY states "NO STRAIGHT EXHAUST" what the hell is unenforceable about that ? If a guy has a straight pipe on a harley, he gets a ticket. I get so angry when I hear this constant "we need more laws" BS. We don't need more laws, we need to enforce the ones we have. Case in point: cell phone laws. WTF ??? Don't give me a ticket for what I MIGHT do, give me a ticket for what I HAVE done. We already had a law for that, it was and still is called distracted driving. Every single study ever done on the subject has found that having a phone conversation with a handsfree is just as dangerous as holding a phone. So I get a ticket for holding my phone because by doing so, I'm a horribly dangerous driver just waiting to kill someone; but buy a new vehicle and you can have a handsfree phone conversation that I just started by dialing the number with the physical keypad on the dash, all the while screwing around with the built in GPS and screwing with the menu on that seperate screen in the gauge cluster and I'm the model of a responsible driver.
The sad thing is, because lazy journalism, the general populace actually believe this crap.
Sorry for going off on a tangerine there, but that article really hit a nerve.
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That's exactly my point in posting this. Virtually all non riders don't know the difference between a super sport, cruiser or touring bike. They do know that loud bikes are a nuisance and the same people continued to support seizure laws because of a few well publicised videos of idiots riding on one wheel on the 401 + morning after stories about carnage when a car full of kids kill themselves at 3AM on a Friday or Saturday. Police yourselves or others will do it for you and don't expect them to take a measured or reasonable approach. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=21e_1379033844
-Maverick-
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This guy gave his name, plate number and wound his R6 up to ~ 150 kph in an 80. And in a national post article too. Not too smart.
