Murder vs manslaughter

[nobbie48]

Re

Thread 'Oro hwy 11 and line 15 rip'

Oct 7, 2025

Condolences to the riders family and friends.

https://www.facebook.com/100084921713810/posts/776573585183358

"A drunk driver was chasing two motorcycles, lost control and killed one of the riders trying to evade the drunk"

EDIT:
Official information now available. The cage driver should set a new high bar for jail time imo.

At the Scene Photography

ONE INDIVIDUAL DECEASED AFTER FATAL MOTORCYCLE COLLISION (ORILLIA, ON) - Members of the Orillia Detachment of the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) are investigating a fatal motorcycle collision that...

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The deceased has been identified as a 27-year-old male from Toronto.
As a result of the investigation, A 37 years old, male from Bracebridge, has been charged with the following offences:
Impaired Operation Causing Death
Dangerous...

• GreyGhost
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• Forum: Fallen Riders/In Memory of

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If you chase someone with a knife and kill them, is it murder or manslaughter?

My impression is that murder meant the intention was to kill. Manslaughter resulting in death would be only meaning to hurt but the victim died.

Is it different for using a motor vehicle?

 

[GreyGhost]

Re

Thread 'Oro hwy 11 and line 15 rip'

Oct 7, 2025

Condolences to the riders family and friends.

https://www.facebook.com/100084921713810/posts/776573585183358

"A drunk driver was chasing two motorcycles, lost control and killed one of the riders trying to evade the drunk"

EDIT:
Official information now available. The cage driver should set a new high bar for jail time imo.

At the Scene Photography

ONE INDIVIDUAL DECEASED AFTER FATAL MOTORCYCLE COLLISION (ORILLIA, ON) - Members of the Orillia Detachment of the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) are investigating a fatal motorcycle collision that...

www.facebook.com

The deceased has been identified as a 27-year-old male from Toronto.
As a result of the investigation, A 37 years old, male from Bracebridge, has been charged with the following offences:
Impaired Operation Causing Death
Dangerous...

• GreyGhost
• Replies: 2
• Forum: Fallen Riders/In Memory of

• 

If you chase someone with a knife and kill them, is it murder or manslaughter?

My impression is that murder meant the intention was to kill. Manslaughter resulting in death would be only meaning to hurt but the victim died.

Is it different for using a motor vehicle?

When was the last time you saw a charge for murder or manslaughter for a vehicle offence in Ontario? I don't think I've ever seen one vehicle on vehicle.

I have seen a few but normally it is a vehicle mowing down a pedestrian. Most were drug associates. I think the cops in Toronto tried that route too when they attacked a vehicle without identifying themselves and one got killed in the process. They followed the blue line and all lied in the reports and on the stand to try to get a conviction of an innocent person that was being attacked by a gang.

 

[nobbie48]

Part 2 on this is what do we do about repeat offenders?

Multiple convictions listing DUIs, uninsured, driving suspended, careless driving, stolen car etc.

The only three things that I can think of that would guarantee no future driving would be permanent incarceration, execution or some form of amputation.

My vague understanding of Sharia Law is that theft is punishable by amputating the thief's right hand. A Muslim doctor described it now being surgically done in a hospital rather than the old chopping off with a sword. Hopefully there is leniency for minor offences.

None of the three options sit well in a civilized society so where do we go?

 

[GreyGhost]

Part 2 on this is what do we do about repeat offenders?

Multiple convictions listing DUIs, uninsured, driving suspended, careless driving, stolen car etc.

The only three things that I can think of that would guarantee no future driving would be permanent incarceration, execution or some form of amputation.

My vague understanding of Sharia Law is that theft is punishable by amputating the thief's right hand. A Muslim doctor described it now being surgically done in a hospital rather than the old chopping off with a sword. Hopefully there is leniency for minor offences.

None of the three options sit well in a civilized society so where do we go?

Face tattoo for repeat offenders. A huge one (dui, assault, sex offender, etc). Make it easy for cops (and all of your friends/coworkers) to identify people that think the laws shouldn't apply to them.

 

[Glenn/RZ500]

Part 2 on this is what do we do about repeat offenders?

Multiple convictions listing DUIs, uninsured, driving suspended, careless driving, stolen car etc.

The only three things that I can think of that would guarantee no future driving would be permanent incarceration, execution or some form of amputation.

My vague understanding of Sharia Law is that theft is punishable by amputating the thief's right hand. A Muslim doctor described it now being surgically done in a hospital rather than the old chopping off with a sword. Hopefully there is leniency for minor offences.

None of the three options sit well in a civilized society so where do we go?

Since our illustrious PM told us " Muslim values are Canadian values"........I`m going with D)-Execution.