I have a complicated ownership case here

A

AmirGTA

Member
I saw a bike to buy, it is a little damaged in but not functionality, the guy says he has a dealership papers but never been registered under anyone's name[I saw the dealership paper].
I was wondering if the bike never been registered to anyone's name, can I register it in Ontario just with a safety and bill of sale? or if I need anything else to do here?

Aporiciate you comments!
 
Is it an actual dealership you're buying it from, or some random person?

If it's a dealership, then they're responsible for getting it into your name.

If it's some random dude, tell him to get an ownership in his name first and then you're good. Personally, I wouldn't touch it otherwise as you've no idea the legitimacy of those "dealer papers". Or you could ask him to come with you to Service Ontario to get the ownership registered in your name, and at that point and only at that point, hand over the cash. If he says he's OK with that, then chances are it's possible. If he refuses or pushes back in some way, run away.
 
I had a bike left to me in a will. I didn't want to keep it so I was going to trade it in at a dealer for another bike. The executor signed the ownership over to me which I presented to the dealer. They refused to accept it as it wasn't my name on the ownership. So I had to get a bill of sale from the executor and go to Service Ontario and change the ownership into my name and of course pay tax on the value of the bike. Then the dealer accepted it as a trade in. So I highly doubt that the bike in question has never been registered by a dealer.
 
Is this a street bike or strictly off road.
Get the VIN number and check if it is even legal in Canada.
A little damage sounds like being a little pregnant!
 
Just so we know. What makes this motorcycle important enough to go through this hassle?
 
Do dealerships sell bikes and let someone take it without changing the ownership?
I can't see a dealer.. especially a reputable one, allowing that to happen... they would be liable, at least partially, if something went wrong.
The deal stinks.. walk away.
 
raginduck said:
Do dealerships sell bikes and let someone take it without changing the ownership?
Click to expand...

I've read about situations where people have imported motorcycles from oddball manufacturers overseas that come with "dealer papers" designed for the initial registration in a country, so it could be this, who knows.

I too would be interested to hear what kind of bike this is.
 
Some dealers do this. Sometimes bikes get liquidated (MV Augusta did this with about 40 unregistered bikes a few years back, sold the bikes they took back from GP to a bike shop in Markham with just NVIS paperwork. Buyers got this and a bill of sale, they registered the bikes at a local service Ontario.

Some KTM dealers have done this with 2t bikes that owners converted to street legal then registered them at small town service Ontario locations. This was and still maybe a loophole - a colleague registered his ‘23 KtM 250 hardenduro after fitting with oe signals.

To register you will need the manufacturers Canadian NVIS papers, the original bill of sale and all bills of sale afterward (if the bike changed hands a few times). It must also be on transport canadas compliance list for on road (blue plate) or off-road (green plate).

Any service Ontario can do the registration.
 
Vehicle registration is a #### show IMO.
'Short time ago one my kid's car was registered to two people. Her in BC and me in Ontario...
It only came to light when she moved back to Ontario and went to get Ontario reg./plates.
 
Thanks everyone for all the information shared, I would continue checking with him up and meeting up in service Ontario, after is under my name I can pass the money to him. I will keep you updated if this goes through or not. wish me luck!
 
That is a greasy mess, sounds like a lot of theft from all sides
 
Just to make sure the bike isn't stolen or has a lien on it, run a UVIP on the VIN number at Service Ontario.

If it really hasn't been registered, then it shouldn't show up, but if it does show up under someone else's name, then run, don't walk, away.

If the bike is still registered under the dealership, I believe that they are the ones that need to transfer it to you, so you'll need to get them involved either way.
 
If this is a street bike, run away. What is so special about this particular bike?

If this is an offroad bike, then I could see this as legit. This same thing happened to me with one of my kids dirt bikes. The dealer never registered it in Canada, and since it was a dirt bike, nobody had bothered to get an ownership. When I bought it, I searched the VIN on CPIC and it came back with no records found. Which was fine by me, since another one I bought a few years before actually came back as being stolen 15 years prior. So when I went to Service Ontario to get an ownership for it, they couldn't find any record of it anywhere in the system. They didn't want to help me at first, but I stood my ground and insisted that they help me figure it out. In the end, I got an ownership for it, in my name, and all was good after that.
 
Factory race bikes can have situations like this at the end of the bike's racing career. NVIS paperwork, "a little damage" ... there may be a whole lot of history, with lots of parts swapping involved. Ask questions ... lots of them. That bike may have seen a lot of hard use, and may have been through some things.

If you insist on proceeding, the suggestion of doing the transaction in cash at Service Ontario is a good one.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom