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I actually have more KTM's in the garage than Ducati's ;-) but even if I didn't I couldn't care less about manufacturer, teams, politics or Dorna, I enjoy the racing and the different riding styles. I also happen to be a MM93 fan so i'm glad to see him do better and cant wait to see what he does on a factory Ducati in 25.

Yep, 3-to-1 KTM-to-Duc ratio in our garage too.

And I don't mind that it's a bit of a Ducati cup the last couple of years. Just like I didn't mind that the same 4 guys won all the races for pretty much half a decade...

Not a MM93 fan, but I love me an underdog story, and if that guy wins a WC after all the injuries and surgeries he's had, it would make a pretty great story to watch unfold.

Also, I can't decide who I hate more - VR46 or MM93. So if MM93 steals more Premiere Class WCs than Rossi, then I'm more than okay with that. 🥳🤭👿

PS. Lovin' the sprint races. Loved it in WSBK, loving it in MotoGP! 10/10ths over 10 laps. Bring it!!!
 
Agree that Marc brings in more sponsors so it was purely a financial decision. But I think MM is just going to create more problems for the factory team than its worth.
And is 3rd in this championship with last year's bike on a satelite team... think that might have something to do with it too.

But to quote Pedro Acosta: This is what the people want!

Pecco and Marc have a amicable relationship on the surface, as Pecco doesn't bring that VR46 BS with him and is pretty classy about it, but I agree when they are on equal machinery its going to get spicy. I think Gigi knows what he got himself into, so now we as the viewers get to sit back and watch it all kickoff for 22 weekends next year!

Argentina and Czech Republic are back on the calendar. 😛

2025 MotoGP™ calendar revealed
 
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Not the biggest fan of either track layouts. Really wish Kazakhstan GP was possible.
 
Ducati has only been dominating in the past few seasons, they celebrated their 100th GP victory last weekend which still leaves them several dozen victories behind MV Agusta that hasn't competed in GP since before I was born, and HUNDREDS of victories behind Yamaha and Honda, they are not really the goliath you paint them to be.
Well....

They are the current MODERN DAY Goliath without a doubt. They're dominating like never before. Can't fault them for their innovation and the likes - GiGi Dalligna has been the driving force in pushing their limits.

I still wonder how much Aprilia kicks themselves in their collective ***** for letting him get away from their lead engineer position.
 
Well....

They are the current MODERN DAY Goliath without a doubt. They're dominating like never before. Can't fault them for their innovation and the likes - GiGi Dalligna has been the driving force in pushing their limits.

I still wonder how much Aprilia kicks themselves in their collective ***** for letting him get away from their lead engineer position.
all depends on what you consider "modern day" past 3 years? you are right, now if you widen that lens to the past decade.......
 
The amount of unforced errors between the championship contenders the last couple of years is... a bit un-championship-like, IMO. It's like a last-guy-standing competition - crowning the guy who makes the least mistakes.

I just remember premiere-class world champions and rivalries being more about actually beating rivals, rather than inheriting podiums.

Especially Mir's championship...

(yeah, yeah, Nicky Hayden... but he was a super-nice guy and really deserved it...)

If Marquez can forget about trying to push the Duc as if he was riding a Honda, next year he is going to totally fill this current power vacuum...
 
The amount of unforced errors between the championship contenders the last couple of years is... a bit un-championship-like, IMO. It's like a last-guy-standing competition - crowning the guy who makes the least mistakes.

I just remember premiere-class world champions and rivalries being more about actually beating rivals, rather than inheriting podiums.

Especially Mir's championship...

(yeah, yeah, Nicky Hayden... but he was a super-nice guy and really deserved it...)

If Marquez can forget about trying to push the Duc as if he was riding a Honda, next year he is going to totally fill this current power vacuum...
The counter-argument is that the Ducati, all the aero, and the modern Michelins don't give a lot of warning before letting go, so a rider can ride exactly as they did for the previous five laps, but then whammo, down they go, losing the front. The aero is apparently a big part of this, as the tires have so much mechanical grip that they don't slide like they used to. Lots of grip or no grip, nothing in between, like walking on wet glass with rubber shoes.

The aero can also play a bigger part where getting sucked into someone's draft at the end of a straight can kill your front grip and by extension your ability to brake, and down you go.

To be fair, I haven't watched much this year, but I watched every race between the 2021 season and about 3/4 of the way through last season, and it was a common theme for both Pecco and Martin to lose the front somewhere (usually on the brakes) and seem totally mystified as to why they crashed, even after looking at the data. Marquez has had his share of unforced errors this year, too, even on a Ducati.

Not to say he won't take the title next year, it's looking more and more like he will if he stays healthy (he is the undisputed GOAT, after all), but I don't think it's a generational problem with the riders as much as the bikes...

(Oh, and the Mir year was so affected by covid that it's a total outlier. The results from that year are all over the map, with two race winners who finished outside the top-ten in the championship and nobody winning more than three rounds. Honda was all at sea without Marquez, and beginning to show signs that something was deeply wrong with their bike development. Yamaha had put all their eggs in the Vinales basket, and we all know how that turned out. And Ducati still had a ways to go.)
 
Not sure I buy the "blame the new technology/tires" argument.

There are 20+ of the fastest riders on earth taking hundreds of laps every weekend of testing and tuning on a variety of conditions, soft rubber, hard rubber, rain rubber. In prototype racing, every season, new regulations, new technology and news tires are introduced. Trying to find the limit of all that new tech/tires and then staying a hair's breadth on the correct side of that limit has been and still remains their one and only job. And aero is far from new, we're several seasons into that technology, especially for the Europeans.

I've read interviews from all the contenders this year and if you're to take their expert opinion over our Monday morning quarterbacking: Pecco is quick to blame the Michelins. Martin disagrees and blames the track conditions. Marquez blames his Honda-like riding style and new-found "overconfidence" on the Ducati.

There doesn't seem to be any one single consensus from the people actually riding these machines as to why this has turned into a championship of crashes.

I think 2025 will bring clarity when a former alien will come into his own, given equal machinery and a whole year of testing and experience under his belt.

Worth sticking around and watching, IMO!
 
There are 20+ of the fastest riders on earth taking hundreds of laps every weekend of testing and tuning on a variety of conditions, soft rubber, hard rubber, rain rubber. In prototype racing, every season, new regulations, new technology and news tires are introduced. Trying to find the limit of all that new tech/tires and then staying a hair's breadth on the correct side of that limit has been and still remains their one and only job.
All of which, to me, reinforces that the changed denominator is the bikes, not the riders. Especially the Ducati, which is almost 'too good' as Pecco has described it, at providing grip, but has taken away feel at the limit.

It's a strategy that works for Ducati, especially with so many bikes on the grid. If you develop a super fast bike that wins or crashes, your only threat from other manufacturers is if they are second fastest. If they're eighth fastest, they still won't score enough points to touch you, which is exactly how this season is playing out.

And aero is far from new, we're several seasons into that technology, especially for the Europeans.
And the more the aero has dominated, the more random crashing we've seen. You can mark the changing of the guard specifically to Pecco and Ducati winning at the Aragon round in 2021. Since then, winning lots and binning occasionally has defined all the championship contenders. We're just seeing the apotheosis of this now.

I've read interviews from all the contenders this year and if you're to take their expert opinion over our Monday morning quarterbacking: Pecco is quick to blame the Michelins. Martin disagrees and blames the track conditions. Marquez blames his Honda-like riding style and new-found "overconfidence" on the Ducati.

There doesn't seem to be any one single consensus from the people actually riding these machines as to why this has turned into a championship of crashes.
Nothing to do with those same riders not wanting to bite the hand that feeds, risk the Wrath of Tardozzi, and criticise the bike or the rule set that has worked best for them? Pecco has complained about the lack of feel with the bike in the past (e.g. 'too good' comment), and then very quickly come out with clarification and correction.

Not to mention, each runs their own personal counter-intelligence program to put pressure on their rivals and hide weaknesses. Marquez learned from the best in Rossi.

The only time you can believe a rider is after they retire, and even then... (see also: Rossi, V.)

I think 2025 will bring clarity when a former alien will come into his own, given equal machinery and a whole year of testing and experience under his belt.
Maybe. Could be that Marquez resumes the approach he had on the Honda of finding the limits by crashing a lot in practice, and finds a way to stay enough in the limits to stop crashing in races. But that will be more down to his particular generational skill than a lack of skill in the others, I think.

Worth sticking around and watching, IMO!
Meh. I dream that Martin (and a cash infusion from Piaggio) will elevate Aprilia beyond plucky underdog status, that Acosta wills the KTM into consistent competition (Guidotti is gone next year, too, having failed to bring the Ducati magic Bierer was hoping for), and that Yamaha's slow progress speeds up. Honda, I'll just be impressed if they don't pull out altogether. I'm not holding out much hope, though. Dall'Igna is a genius, especially at finding gaps in the regulations.

The rules need a shake-up sooner than 2027, and they need to follow the F1 path and hire an aero expert to develop guidelines that allow for innovation but minimise the impact to other riders, especially in the draft. Of course, as long as Ducati has veto power, it'll never happen... (see also: Devices, ride height)
 

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