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you do know ABS would increase the stopping distance right? (but allows even the most novice of drivers to retain control). It's not the weight of your jeep, it's the coefficient of friction offered by the tires - are they off road/dual purpose tires? Also, just cause the front were near...

FYI - the car in front of you was probably stopping at about half it's potential.

But will your bike outbrake... A Honda civic? Si?, Accord, Mazda3, how bout a Mazda Miata? it's light! - as if weight mattered.

you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm trying to deal with facts (and figures where applicable). So you are basically calling BS on these articles? http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=209&Set=199-231 http://www.stevemunden.com/braking.html

You're purposely misunderstanding there. the more weight being shifted upwards will not cause any noticeable decrease in braking abilities... it will, as a matter of fact, cause your bike to stoppie easier (how could you deny that fact), and in turn, since your bike will stoppie and flip over...

I am being very serious. What bike do you ride? and what car do you have in mind when you compare the two in your head?

Can't argue with that, stationary objects FTW

nope, it is not equipped with brakes that are easily able to lock the wheels. Also, while it traveling along the runway, at speed, trying to decelerate, much of the weight is carried by the wings rather than the wheels. All conversations about artificial downforce don't really apply to this...

Actually.. all you said was... "WOW".. After bolding my text. Are you ready to switch teams yet, and agree? After reading - http://www.stevemunden.com/braking.html and - http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=209&Set=199-231

Right- it doesn't, now you're getting it. But changing the center of gravity does. Removing weight from below the center of gravity of a bike, would INCREASE stopping distances. BECAUSE sportbikes typically can't utilize their available traction, since the bike will stoppie / flip over.

Very interesting.. especially And the whole section dealing with - Can you brake faster than cars?

If you understand all the points here - http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=209&Set=199-231 you would see that adding weight (in the right places) on a sportbike would decrease it's stopping distances- but overall weight has no affect. In the examples given, they are able to increase the...

Exactly.. more weight = more traction, and more momentum.... they cancel each other out 1 for 1... weight is of no consequence, and therefore irrelevant for stopping distance calculations.

LOL... please read - http://www.msgroup.org/Tip.aspx?Num=209&Set=199-231 Especially this part And this part

That whole article is bang on. Too bad James R. Davis didn't elaborate with respect to 4 wheeled vehicles. At least he unquestionably answeres the question regarding weight. Let me point out a few things to start with. In order to determine the fastest possible stopping distance and time you...

No troubles here, post #33... specifies - tires that commonly exist on the street.

man can you ever misunderstand a post... When I referred to the "novice", that was solely to justify why I chose the comparison that I did. the poll is a branch off this thread -http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=1094489#post1094489 It does not get more convoluted with...

The tires that exist most commonly on the street. on the bike... do you think it matters if it has street tires or slicks? On the sportbike, the tires are NOT the limiting factor. the fact that it can and will flip over with mere street tires is an indication that stickier tires will not...

The use of the word "novice" was only to justify WHY this poll exists, comparing sportbikes to average cars. The rider and driver on the braking challenge would be both capable drivers/riders... capable or properly threshold braking.

Lets say... the rider is able to properly threshold brake and the driver is also able to properly threshold brake Reaction times are equal in both, no surprises.