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I'm not sure what you are saying? I was unaware of any Air brake ABS applications. If they exist. great. But this is so far out of scope of this debate. 0.19 seconds of delay between touching brake pedal and brakes applying is HUGE compared to any hydraulic system. - totally our of scope.

Eliminate those variables. :confused: Seat time/ familiarity with the brakes = equal in both cases have the brakes been broken in properly = equal in both cases cold or hot brakes = equal in both cases. All those variables should can be dealt with. just make them equal in both cases. We've...

Looking at the poll results right now... Amazing.. Almost a 50/50 split. 67 people think an average car stops faster. 64 people think an average bike stops faster. Amazing how far from a consensus we are. Imagine we were all on a jury together. :rolleyes: Equally puzzling is... Of...

Doing them and making them look good, as you do, requires more than just brake force... But simple squeezing till the rear end lifts just requires a squeeze. Many sportbikes are limited in brakign BECAUSE of their light weight. they could stop faster if they could keep the rear down. Just...

The lines, surely change the feel, but is there really a difference in the fluid for ONE single stop? I know the OEM fluid boils easily, but its still hydraulic oil, and considered non compressible. With many stops, no doubt RBF takes the heat better, but when things are cool, I don't think...

Actually...you said it yourself. It translates into being easier to reach thresh hold braking - not better thresh hold braking. I am gonna argue that thresh hold braking can be done with OEM brakes - just not as easily as with BETTER brakes. Still possible though. Like I said. better...

YES - all those things make it EASIER to stop, but they don't shorten the stopping distances. if you apply more braking force - won't your bike endo/stoppie/flipover - rather than stop quicker? You are familiar with stunting? (that was sarcastic - I've seen you, and you are quite good...

So you are confirming that weight is not an issue?

Yes.. and everything you said about improving the feel, fade, performance is 100% correct - but not the stopping distance. Big brakes are better - yes. But the ONE TIME stopping distance is not affected. the feel, and the amount of fade after repeated slow downs, the firmness, etc.. all...

Right... that bike, in it original form - the brakes could NOT offer more friction than the tires could with the road. This is completely NOT relavent to this debate - unless you think that the average car with average brakes can't lock the brake in a panic situation... And if you do think...

I think you might be somewhat surprised just how fast a transport truck can stop. The air brakes are not nearly as responsive as hydraulic brakes, making threshold braking nearly impossible. I'm not aware of any Air brake ABS technology! You have NO data regarding this - neither do I... so...

yup... The friction offered by the tires DOES affect stopping distances. brake size - does not (as long as the brakes are capable of more friction than the tires) Virtually all cars on the road can lock their brakes - smart car can easily lock it's brakes.

thank you for adding some logic. I've driven a smart car, and the brake are MORE THAN ADEQUATE to stop the car one time in any panic situation. Larger brakes will only let you stop more times repeatedly. Right from stoptech.. http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml Also from the...

Ahhh will it ever end... Please read and understand the link that was posted by Worldtraveller in post #39, and then quoted by myself in post #47 http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=1094649&postcount=47 Or directly - here -...

Sorry - you are right. The linked article doesn;t specifically say that. But the magazine does Buy the magazine and you will see.

Actually, I think it proves that the car wins - in every case except against the BMW K1300S The entry level grocery getting car beat: •BMW S1000RR – has a phenomenally sophisticated ABS system that will not only stop the front wheel locking, but – in race mode – allow a certain amount of rear...

I think I should mention.. all the calculations and theories I may have linked or referenced are not actually mine. They are simply the generally accepted theories and calcs - and they happen to be correct, and well supported - although not by you for some reason?

I know this is true - but can you provide a link?

No need.. they are already well aware. They are also well aware that their braking systems can dissipate MUCH more heat than OEM units, and therefore can stop many more times repeatedly before overheating. You are in the wrong thread, this one is about stopping quickest - as in, one single...

precisely.. Skidding is slowing down at no where near the max potential. On dry pavement, when skidding, you no longer have the static coefficient of friction, you get the dynamic coefficient of friction. On dry pavement, the dynamic coefficient of friction is at least 20% less than the...