Gut feelings of robbery

[BusaBob]

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Crap, Awyala, that sucks! I've heard thieves in the UK are pretty brazen, and this just reinforces that belief.

Hope it doesn't get like that here.

Yeah, I know about bumping tumbler locks. It's discouraging to say the least.

Like it's been said already: if a thief really wants your bike, short of sitting on it 24/7 with a shotgun, they're gonna get it. It's just a matter of how much they want to try.

But I still think the harder you make it, the more they'll be discouraged from trying, as long as the measures one takes are actual deterrents.

Was your chain an Almax?

better luck hanging onto your bikes!

 

[BusaBob]

The condo thieves aren't that brazen here, I don't think.
It's just that people make it too easy for them.

Often the bikes are not chained down and there's no wheel lock. There's usually only one security guard for hundreds of units, multiple levels of parking and the "residents only" parking gates/doors are easy to pass through.

I've seen a couple surveillance videos of condo thefts. It's just a couple guys in a minivan. They pull up to a bike and literally pick it up and drag it into the van and drive off. total exposure time is a few minutes (not 60 seconds). Not brazen or sophisticated, just "easy".

Which is why I suggest to people to make it more difficult.

 

[Cha0s00100]

Do they have something similar for cellphones?


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Sadly yes self powered units with both GPS and cell blocking

 

[toysareforboys]

Sadly yes self powered units with both GPS and cell blocking

I tested a similar looking device for the DRPS. A shop in Oshawa was broken into, all of their computer hard drives were sliced in half with a chop saw or blew through with a plasma cutter. Nothing was stolen. Their alarm system ran on the phone line and also had cellular backup. Neither part of the alarm was triggered. The cops assume someone showed up because they left in a hurry, and left their GPS/cell blocker behind. The antenna's were MUCH larger than the ones in the picture above, and tested to a MINIMUM of 300 ft for blocking all cell phone and GPS signals. It ran off two 9v batteries. They also had a "phone line simulator" connected to the alarm phone line, so the monitoring center never detected that the line had been cut.

Crazy stuff.

-Jamie M.

 

[moe-2]

Due to the work I do, I have been in numerous condo garages. I have seen Ducati's, Daytona's, Busas.....beautiful looking SS....just parked there. No covers, no locks...nothing. This one building had a 848 Evo/1098/1199s just parked there. It hurt me just looking at them sitting there knowing that someone could just come in and take it within seconds.

 

[awyala]

Crap, Awyala, that sucks! I've heard thieves in the UK are pretty brazen, and this just reinforces that belief.

Hope it doesn't get like that here.

Yeah, I know about bumping tumbler locks. It's discouraging to say the least.

Like it's been said already: if a thief really wants your bike, short of sitting on it 24/7 with a shotgun, they're gonna get it. It's just a matter of how much they want to try.

But I still think the harder you make it, the more they'll be discouraged from trying, as long as the measures one takes are actual deterrents.

Was your chain an Almax?

better luck hanging onto your bikes!

Not Almax all of these:
Disc Lock: http://www.oxford-shop.co.uk/item3161.htm
Chain 1: http://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Secu...ock-chain-combinations/Granit-Extreme-Plus-59 (I must have recalled the chain link wrongly - it was only 12mm)
Chain 2: I remember it being 18mm, but I can only find this 16mm version online: http://www.oxford-shop.co.uk/item3140.htm

+ Alarm + Cover + Immobilzer.

 

[BusaBob]

Not Almax all of these:
Disc Lock: http://www.oxford-shop.co.uk/item3161.htm
Chain 1: http://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Secu...ock-chain-combinations/Granit-Extreme-Plus-59 (I must have recalled the chain link wrongly - it was only 12mm)
Chain 2: I remember it being 18mm, but I can only find this 16mm version online: http://www.oxford-shop.co.uk/item3140.htm

+ Alarm + Cover + Immobilzer.

dude, that first chain is hardly in the same league as an almax 16mm. the second chain makes no mention of whether it's case hardened, tempered, etc. what lock did you have on the second chain?

have you checked out the Almax website? Unless they're lying outright (and I haven't seen anything on the web contradicting them), they're got a pretty unique product. http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=18

 

[sid_for_speed]

Thieves aren't clairvoyant. They may have been cruising garages, noticed a sporty looking bike and pulled in to see if it was valuable. After realizing it was an old Yamaha, it was time for a smoke break.

wtf? haha

 

[awyala]

dude, that first chain is hardly in the same league as an almax 16mm. the second chain makes no mention of whether it's case hardened, tempered, etc. what lock did you have on the second chain?

have you checked out the Almax website? Unless they're lying outright (and I haven't seen anything on the web contradicting them), they're got a pretty unique product. http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/index.asp?pg=18

The first chain is a chain you can transport with you and lock up where ever you go. Theft is pretty bad in London so quite a few people ride with chains. Here I have never seen a bike chained up in the street. So that first chain has a certain purpose. I also didn't think it could be cut through that easy, until my neighbour reported those punk chavs to me. She said they had bolt cutters maybe knee high....not any serious leverage, stuff you can concele in a good jacket.

That's when I picked up the other chain. That thing was over 20lbs and not meant to be carried around. The lock it came with was the one shown there. They all say the same thing "hardened", "hexagonal profile, round profile...blah blah blah to prevent bolt cutters getting grip"...what have you.

I saw the Almax ads and though they look promising, the second worry becomes a) the lock, and b) the anchor. Any bolt in anchor is usually dispatched with a sledge hammer in 2 or 3 strokes. They just usually swing at it sideways and rip the bolts right out of the concrete.

The only real solution to the anchor problem is
a) an in-situ telescopic anchor: http://www.discountlocks.co.uk/Autolok-KTGA-p/autolok%20ktga.htm
b) in-situ pass through anchor: [video=youtube;K6pOoXswxnc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pOoXswxnc[/video]

Then after all that, invest in the hardest lock to pick! Check with a locksmith first. 5 lever mortice is what I understand to be the hardest, or something like this: http://www.sargentandgreenleaf.com/PL-951.php. This looks good too: http://lockitt.com/PadlockHighSecurity.htm#multiE13SB

Put all that together and you might have a chance!

 

[Johnpush]

Sadly yes self powered units with both GPS and cell blocking

At places where using mobile phones is prohibited such as government, military, finance, security, police and command center etc.

 

[murf]

I tested a similar looking device for the DRPS. A shop in Oshawa was broken into, all of their computer hard drives were sliced in half with a chop saw or blew through with a plasma cutter. Nothing was stolen. Their alarm system ran on the phone line and also had cellular backup. Neither part of the alarm was triggered. The cops assume someone showed up because they left in a hurry, and left their GPS/cell blocker behind. The antenna's were MUCH larger than the ones in the picture above, and tested to a MINIMUM of 300 ft for blocking all cell phone and GPS signals. It ran off two 9v batteries. They also had a "phone line simulator" connected to the alarm phone line, so the monitoring center never detected that the line had been cut.

Crazy stuff.

-Jamie M.

I must ask, why do
You know so much about this and cutting through chains etc?

 

[Sabex]

I must ask, why do
You know so much about this and cutting through chains etc?

Knowledge is half the battle. You can't defend against something if you don't know what it is or how it works.

 

[Macs]

I must ask, why do
You know so much about this and cutting through chains etc?

TAFB just seems to know a lot about a lot. That said, if I buy a security system, being in the industry and having friends in the industry, I gotta stress test it myself so maybe that's how.

I have my anchor secured to a wall in my garage. The garage door is reinforced, the keypad can accept 2 codes, each of which can be up to 8 digits long, no remotes (thankfully I got the parents on board) there's a webcam that records in 1080p in plain sight but out of reach which is motion activated just like the 8 120W Halogen bulbs in the garage. I use an Almax chain as well for peace of mind when I won't be home for more than a work day. I also have 2 signs put up above the bike detailing the 2 "other" security features in the house waiting for a thief. Unless your bike is crafted out of solid gold, making it anything harder than a 2 minute job will deter most thieves. Someone broke in earlier this year and the lights, camera and home alarm were enough to make them bolt. This setup is the result of trial and error. We dropped about 800 bucks on things only to find out that they were easily defeated when we tested them.

 

[murf]

TAFB just seems to know a lot about a lot. That said, if I buy a security system, being in the industry and having friends in the industry, I gotta stress test it myself so maybe that's how.

.

I thought it may have been some previous "work experience"

 

[toysareforboys]

I thought it may have been some previous "work experience"

I work for a company that installs HD CCTV camera systems. The police usually can't figure out or don't have the equipment capable of playing back the recordings they make. They usually end up bringing us the recording equipment to get the video off it.

We've worked with them on some special projects before, i.e. super long range battery operated wireless cameras to catch a farmer stringing up steel cables across trees in his forest to "prevent hooligans on snowmobiles and four wheelers from trespassing on his property", etc. So when they get some weird equipment they don't understand it usually ends up in my lap too.

I was in jail with a lot of thieves a few years back, so was able to gain a lot of knowledge about how they find bikes (finders fees to security guards) and how they steal bikes (hydraulic electric cutters, cut off grinders, gps/gsm blockers, etc.).

-Jamie M.

 

[murf]

I work for a company that installs HD CCTV camera systems. The police usually can't figure out or don't have the equipment capable of playing back the recordings they make. They usually end up bringing us the recording equipment to get the video off it.

We've worked with them on some special projects before, i.e. super long range battery operated wireless cameras to catch a farmer stringing up steel cables across trees in his forest to "prevent hooligans on snowmobiles and four wheelers from trespassing on his property", etc. So when they get some weird equipment they don't understand it usually ends up in my lap too.

I was in jail with a lot of thieves a few years back, so was able to gain a lot of knowledge about how they find bikes (finders fees to security guards) and how they steal bikes (hydraulic electric cutters, cut off grinders, gps/gsm blockers, etc.).

-Jamie M.

You now do work for the police.......Im sure you see the irony??

 

[toysareforboys]

You now do work for the police.......Im sure you see the irony??

I made some mistakes, they were just doing their job. I don't specifically have any bad feelings towards them!

Funny though, I had to go to court and testify in a shooting that happened in Whitby a while ago (at Heat/Vogue nightclub). In a pre-meeting with the Crown I said to him "You know I have an extensive criminal record, for guns even, and just got off probation right?" lol. I wanted to prep him for it in case the defence brought it up, as I'm sure they would have run my record (where the crown had not). It didn't come up in court and wasn't an issue.

-Jamie M.

 

[Sabex]

I made some mistakes, they were just doing their job. I don't specifically have any bad feelings towards them!

Funny though, I had to go to court and testify in a shooting that happened in Whitby a while ago (at Heat/Vogue nightclub). In a pre-meeting with the Crown I said to him "You know I have an extensive criminal record, for guns even, and just got off probation right?" lol. I wanted to prep him for it in case the defence brought it up, as I'm sure they would have run my record (where the crown had not). It didn't come up in court and wasn't an issue.

-Jamie M.

off topic but i just have to ask.

how much do you pay for insurance?

 

[toysareforboys]

off topic but i just have to ask.

how much do you pay for insurance?

I was paying $925 (facility, Royal Sun Alliance), now I only pay $186 (on R1) with state farm!!! Not sure how long that will last but we'll see

My jail time wasn't for my driving.

-Jamie M.

 

[Sabex]

I was paying $925 (facility, Royal Sun Alliance), now I only pay $186 (on R1) with state farm!!! Not sure how long that will last but we'll see

My jail time wasn't for my driving.

-Jamie M.

I know that. Just with the amount of accidents you've been in... And that's pretty awesome. You managed to rack up more charges in 1 arrest than all of my brothers have in their lifetime (they've been to jail a lot--mostly just for failure to appear though. a few times for some serious stuff)

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