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Can she be held liable based for her statement if a Sikh rider wore a turban and get hurt from a crash or rock hitting their head?
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Turban instead of helmet!?
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Can she be held liable based for her statement if a Sikh rider wore a turban and get hurt from a crash or rock hitting their head?
Me thinks it would depends on the jurisprudense of the jurisdiction. You never can tell in this day and age of upside down court rulings and to a lesser degree the multicultural crossroads we find ourselves at. I remember when Mexican standoff was an actual joke and only applied to sinister effect by low lifes like Q. Tarantino. Grudgingly I have to ponder how Sharia law would deal with these turbines. I'm sure it would be very slick.
So are you saying Trudeau, a Catholic, is actually a Muslim? And that liberals, who you seem to associate with communists, prefer one religion over another, except that most communist countries are actually atheist in nature and precisely none are Muslim countries?
Interesting.
I'll answer those questions if you really want me to, but if you read them you'll see you've injected a bunch of personal opinions (valid as they may or may not be) on various education related issues into the discussion, which was simply about government favouring one religion over another. They don't, as I precisely explained in my last post. Simple.
Many SJW's seem to espouse Marxist ideals, which indeed promote atheism. The contradiction lay in their support for special protection of one particular religious belief, atm. The Liberal party of present feed off the wee hearts of these troubled warriors. That's sad. My guess.. Trudeau has little actual love for much of the muslim belief system, even with its socialist undertones. We'll never openly see that JT.
I don't think there should be helmet legislation, why is so much spent protecting the stupid from themselves? Further to that, turbans could actually provide more protection than some of the dumb ***** beanie helmets I've seen riders wear. If helmet legislation exists, then why don't they make it somewhat useful and require full face helmets? I remember seeing a picture of a helmet with a breakdown on the picture showing statistically what part of the helmet hits the ground. I can't remember the exact number, but it was between 30-40% of the time it's the chin bar that hits the ground first in an accident. How does a beanie help in those situations? Furthermore, why stop at helmets, legs are most commonly injured in motorcycle accidents yet there's no legislation requiring any protection there. Leg protection legislation could arguably be more socially beneficial than helmet legislation because life altering injuries are costlier to the public than life ending injuries.
I've never seen a DOT or SNELL approved Turban, nor have I ever seen a turban with a chin strap to actually hold it on when the **** is hitting the fan.
So yeah, there's that.
We have a friend of the family who's job is working with brain damaged people, mostly due to MVC's actually.
Trust me, you're far better living the rest of your life with a damaged (or even missing leg) than you are with a brain injury. Damaged or missing leg(s) guy can still function independently for the most part - feed themselves, dress themselves, drive, toilet, etc etc. Brain injury people range from high functioning but still brain damaged and challenged with everyday tasks, are likely to never able to drive again, can often be partially or fully incontinent, right up to vegetables in a nursing home who are empty shells.
As for the cost, again, brain injuries cost FAR more.
What that boils down to is saying the value of human life is measured in our ability to produce for society, over any inherent value in simply being alive.
Not arguing whether you're right or wrong, just pointing out one implication of that view.
Response from the artist...
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Thank you for your email, and thanks for the kind words.
I am not an expert on motorcycle safety and am going by what was reported to me by the men in this photo. As for my own opinion, I would always wear a helmet. I live in the US where numerous states allow bikers to ride with no helmet and I personally would never ride without one.
I am not personally advocating for changes in the laws in other provinces, I’m reporting what is law in BC.
I do appreciate you writing and sharing your opinion with me though.
Wishing you all the best - Naomi
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Thank you for your email, and thanks for the kind words.
I am not an expert on motorcycle safety and am going by what was reported to me by the men in this photo. As for my own opinion, I would always wear a helmet. I live in the US where numerous states allow bikers to ride with no helmet and I personally would never ride without one.
I am not personally advocating for changes in the laws in other provinces, I’m reporting what is law in BC.
I do appreciate you writing and sharing your opinion with me though.
Wishing you all the best - Naomi
If they're not her words then at the very least should have put that part of the description in quotes.
I'm white from Eastern Europe, so by no means am I an expert, but turbans have a strap on them, don't they? I swear I've seen the strap coming down from them. Also, my point about the legs versus head, I was implying that the person wasn't wearing a helmet, so brain damage decreases, fatality increases. Brain damage is a life altering event, and wearing a helmet could cause a life ending event turn into a life altering affair. I dislike using this example, but take Michael Schumacher's accident as an example. Had he not been wearing a helmet in his accident do you think he would have survived? I remember seeing the chart showing the before/after effects of the change in helmet legislation in Michigan and there really wasn't a big change at all. There was some mobility in the stats, but not enough to justify having legislation and the costs associated with it. I guarantee the reason that there was virtually no difference is because it was the beanie wearing crew that went to having their locks flowing in the wind. They went from virtually no protection, to no protection. And the turban falls comfortably into the virtually no protection category as well.
All that said, I completely agree that I would prefer to live with a permanent leg injury than a permanent brain injury, but I try to avoid both by wearing gear and a full face helmet.
Fastar1, I'm well aware of the metric for my statement, but whether you like it or not, that is exactly how everyone is measured in society. Friends and family may view a person differently, but strangers in society....not so much. As cold and pragmatic as it may be, I don't find fault with it. The more useful a person is, the higher they are regarded and more value is placed on their life/survival. For those that think I'm wrong, who would you rather survive, your pet which brings utility through companionship, or a strange person? Would you be willing to kill your pet to save a stranger? And here I'm comparing the life of a dog/cat to a human. One can cure cancer on it's best day, the other doesn't piss on the carpet on it's best day.
Surprise surprise, the guys advocating for turbans instead of helmets are the same ones stating that Turbans are as safe as helmets.
In related news, people who think seatbelts are unnecessary insist that just holding their kids into their seats with their right arm during emergency stops is just as effective.
Anyhow, kudos to the person for responding.
Riceburner
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I think that's their twisted beard going back up into the turban you are seeing.
Isn't it though? Produce may not be the most accurate, but contribute maybe. Im personally not cool with wannabe gamer star leaching of mama in the basement. Unfortunate reality is video game related head injuries are non issue... Unless mom gets angry.
Ok, were you drinking some of the inreb kool aid last night? Cause idk wtf you just said.
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Yup, wasn't sure if she would but glad she did....although to me the response is pretty 'not my problem' vibe to it...which I disagree with personal. Still trying to decide how/if to bother responding because I still disagree with her putting it forward even though she's ignorant on the topic...
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