Excellent. Now have you ever heard of it happening?
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The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread
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Have Justin proclaim the war measures act?
Seriously though, lay massively heavy charges on the perpetrator. That would also mean having brutal judges. Stop the slap on the wrist penalties. Penalize anyone abetting the crime. Make more charges criminal in nature.
It will start off rough but after a few end up with criminal records and massive legal bills, more will think twice.
I don't know if a party that did the above would be destroyed at the next election or get a landslide victory.
We also need saints for cops to avoid another HTA 172 situation.
Setting up the window of opportunity would be costly without insider information, a neighbourhood snitch etc.
At 2 Kms a minute escape speed the blocking point would be hard to set up.
Penalties in this case are pretty much meaningless without significant enforcement. Steeper penalties won't matter as a deterrent if you are very unlikely to get caught/charged.
I was thinking any of the nice roads, fotc, 517, whatever. A few cops cars at the start of the trap watching, a few kilometers down the road to spring the trap. If bikes stop for the far cops, great. If they spin and try to escape the way they came, that path is no good. You could probably catch a dozen a day on a nice weekend day.
I was talking more for plates. First cop viewing does not matter in the prosecution. Second cop can collect enough independent evidence to make the plate (and other documentation charges) stick.
Minor speeding is presently a slap on the wrist. License plates and insurance issues have to be upped to criminal fraud to have any effect. Until then it's pay to play. Court delays have to be dealt with.
The 410 after midnight, where they seem to do high speed runs, might be a viable location. Limited access and they could put people on both the on- and off-ramps, to catch them if they tried the wrong way escape.
Yes, I have. I've also heard of plates being seized, when invalid, resulting in a tow.
Four years for dangerous driving. 10 year license suspension. Given that he has more than a handful of dangerous driving charges, that should have been life. Driving is a privilege is laughable. It is treated as a right.
www.cp24.com
In all, Ontario Superior Court Justice Gillian Roberts sentenced Demar Kerr to three separate terms of jail time to be served concurrently – four years for dangerous driving causing death, three years for dangerous driving causing harm, and three months for failure to comply.
Kerr, working as a food delivery person at the time, was operating a Kia at nearly twice the speed limit while going west on Richmond, towards Yonge, when he struck a vehicle that was making an illegal turn, the court heard.
At the time, Kerr, out on bail, was facing four separate charges of dangerous driving. As part of those conditions, he had been permitted to keep his licence as a means to earn a living.
Driver who lost control of car, struck crowd on Toronto sidewalk in 2021 to serve one more year in jail: court
The man who lost control of his car before careening into a crowd of people on a busy downtown Toronto sidewalk and killing one person on Boxing Day 2021 will serve another year in jail after being sentenced on Wednesday.
www.cp24.com
In all, Ontario Superior Court Justice Gillian Roberts sentenced Demar Kerr to three separate terms of jail time to be served concurrently – four years for dangerous driving causing death, three years for dangerous driving causing harm, and three months for failure to comply.
Kerr, working as a food delivery person at the time, was operating a Kia at nearly twice the speed limit while going west on Richmond, towards Yonge, when he struck a vehicle that was making an illegal turn, the court heard.
At the time, Kerr, out on bail, was facing four separate charges of dangerous driving. As part of those conditions, he had been permitted to keep his licence as a means to earn a living.
We either accept that someone is innocent until proved guilty, or we go down the HTA 172 route even harder. Things like this will happen in a free society. It sucks but unless the courts are willing to actively monitor those on recognizance, we have no way of knowing if they're abiding by conditions.Four years for dangerous driving. 10 year license suspension. Given that he has more than a handful of dangerous driving charges, that should have been life. Driving is a privilege is laughable. It is treated as a right.
Driver who lost control of car, struck crowd on Toronto sidewalk in 2021 to serve one more year in jail: court
The man who lost control of his car before careening into a crowd of people on a busy downtown Toronto sidewalk and killing one person on Boxing Day 2021 will serve another year in jail after being sentenced on Wednesday.
In all, Ontario Superior Court Justice Gillian Roberts sentenced Demar Kerr to three separate terms of jail time to be served concurrently – four years for dangerous driving causing death, three years for dangerous driving causing harm, and three months for failure to comply.
Kerr, working as a food delivery person at the time, was operating a Kia at nearly twice the speed limit while going west on Richmond, towards Yonge, when he struck a vehicle that was making an illegal turn, the court heard.
At the time, Kerr, out on bail, was facing four separate charges of dangerous driving. As part of those conditions, he had been permitted to keep his licence as a means to earn a living.
Consecutive sentences are vanishingly rare in our system.
I like innocent until proven guilty as a concept. Maybe the number of outstanding charges should triage you in the court system. By the time your second criminal charge is pending, you need to be in front of a judge within a month to address all outstanding charges. The cops are not spending years gathering evidence, this file just sits on a desk untouched for years.
Enforcement vs penalty
A guy's wife insists on a fresh donut every day so he stops goes to a bakery and buys one. The bakery has no parking and the street is zoned no parking with a $30 fine. There is paid parking across the street at $10 flat rate. ($70 week)
If the guy only gets a ticket once a week it's the better deal. If there is a ticket cop sitting there all the time it doesn't pay.
If they raise the fine to $100 it changes the rate of loss to the point that the ticket issuer only has to be there one day in ten.
To make the offence unpalatable either enforcement has to be upped or the fine increased.
FWIW there is a medical clinic on the S-E corner of North Queen and The East Mall and parking is $4.00 flat rate.
There is a mall on the S-W corner where people park to save the $4. There is a guy that watches and issues a ticket as soon as the driver leaves the lot. It's a lot more than $4.
A guy's wife insists on a fresh donut every day so he stops goes to a bakery and buys one. The bakery has no parking and the street is zoned no parking with a $30 fine. There is paid parking across the street at $10 flat rate. ($70 week)
If the guy only gets a ticket once a week it's the better deal. If there is a ticket cop sitting there all the time it doesn't pay.
If they raise the fine to $100 it changes the rate of loss to the point that the ticket issuer only has to be there one day in ten.
To make the offence unpalatable either enforcement has to be upped or the fine increased.
FWIW there is a medical clinic on the S-E corner of North Queen and The East Mall and parking is $4.00 flat rate.
There is a mall on the S-W corner where people park to save the $4. There is a guy that watches and issues a ticket as soon as the driver leaves the lot. It's a lot more than $4.
Rate of pay is inversely proportional to rate of speed. Same goes for contracted trucking, dump trucks, taxis etc.Four years for dangerous driving. 10 year license suspension. Given that he has more than a handful of dangerous driving charges, that should have been life. Driving is a privilege is laughable. It is treated as a right.
Driver who lost control of car, struck crowd on Toronto sidewalk in 2021 to serve one more year in jail: court
The man who lost control of his car before careening into a crowd of people on a busy downtown Toronto sidewalk and killing one person on Boxing Day 2021 will serve another year in jail after being sentenced on Wednesday.
In all, Ontario Superior Court Justice Gillian Roberts sentenced Demar Kerr to three separate terms of jail time to be served concurrently – four years for dangerous driving causing death, three years for dangerous driving causing harm, and three months for failure to comply.
Kerr, working as a food delivery person at the time, was operating a Kia at nearly twice the speed limit while going west on Richmond, towards Yonge, when he struck a vehicle that was making an illegal turn, the court heard.
At the time, Kerr, out on bail, was facing four separate charges of dangerous driving. As part of those conditions, he had been permitted to keep his licence as a means to earn a living.
Can a person make a living while obeying laws? What needs to change?
Going forward, JT's carbon tax costs truckers more $$$ but can they increase their rates to compensate? Or do they just drive faster and take more shortcuts?
That's all fine and dandy for people that have something to lose. Logical in that context but that is not who most of these people are.
Most of the people that we are talking about in this thread, in this context.... are young, stupid and invincible and have nothing to lose as they have nothing yet, or they have dug a giant hole with repeated offences that penalties do not matter anymore, or are too self entitled to care about the impact of their actions on others, or too poor to have much of anything to take from them, or so rich with mommy's and daddy's money (and enabled) to not care. Mostly some combination of most of the above. Penalties matter little but if they got caught on a regular basis... instead of never to maybe years of bad behaviour in-between.
Not just a Brampton problem. IME they are all ignored. I see people ride right by cops (including traffic cops) with little fucks given. Very high percentage chance they are riding dirty, if there is a plate it is mounted illegally and pretty much unreadable (plus the usual squid riding dirty uniform, etc...).
Now maybe they figure if they throw on the lights, the rider will twist the wrist and either get away or become a skidmark and a bunch of paper work??? But I don't see enforcement of the obvious.
My old employer was a cheap mofo. When he went to his doctor he use to park his Lexus at the Beer Store on Queen St. in Brampton to get out of paying the $4-5 flat rate parking at the medical building next door where his doctor's office was. Someone backed ito it while he was parked in the Beer Store. It was backed in, so the front was damaged. Radar sensor for the auto braking was in the L hood emblem. $1800 + calibration to replace it, plus bodywork + paint.
He couldn't understand why we were unsympathetic to his misfortune when he was venting back at the shop. Pay the $4, park at the back of the medical center's lot, and chances are no one will hit your car. Or park in a lot where a hundred or so people are buying booze and are in + out every few minutes.
At least the only guy that died is the one that stole the car and was running from the cops....
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