I have opinions of dissent towards the government
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Man charged for not giving phone password
- Thread starter CruisnGrrl
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Do you have curtains or blinds on your window? Do you keep the doors to your home open?
Calling 416-865-1480 right now
You're already on the watch list
Well done...
correct, i was fixated on border crossings can/us, should have stayed with the original topic.
Motorcycle Mike
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I don't like that these kind of things are happening, but I wonder if the best way to counter-act it is act like you don't care at all.
Since this guy caused a fuss, no doubt they will go through every directory on his phone and check everything.
If he said "Password? I don't need no stinking password" and tossed the phone to them unlocked they'd probably barely even look at it.
I also don't know what they are hoping to find. If I was doing anything criminal or planning anything criminal, I would certainly be using a disposable phone and would not be crossing borders with it -- so essentially CBSA is either just annoying the innocent or possibly catching the dumbest of the dumb with this routine.
Since this guy caused a fuss, no doubt they will go through every directory on his phone and check everything.
If he said "Password? I don't need no stinking password" and tossed the phone to them unlocked they'd probably barely even look at it.
I also don't know what they are hoping to find. If I was doing anything criminal or planning anything criminal, I would certainly be using a disposable phone and would not be crossing borders with it -- so essentially CBSA is either just annoying the innocent or possibly catching the dumbest of the dumb with this routine.
Perhaps child pornography:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-ke...counters-in-dominican-republic_b_5678448.html
When we were in Cuba we saw a lot of Canadian tourists, specifically Quebecois because they are able to speak Spanish more easily than Anglophones, that were engaged in the local sex tourism industry with minors. We were in one cafe and a guy from Quebec was talking to us, he must have been 70 years old. He was showing off his "girlfriend" to us, she looked like she was no more than 15.
Again, just speculating. Innocent before proven guilty. And it doesn't change the fact that our privacy as CDN citizens is being infringed upon by our own government.
Maybe I'm over reacting and it's unrealistic for me to think that a CBSA guard would ever demand to see the contents of my work phone or laptop.... but I'm not allowed to show people the contents if they don't have proper authorization.
Canadian's were probably complaining back in the 1940's about their suitcases being searched.
It's the new world, instead of luggage now it's electronic devices.
Were the CSBA agents just out fishing, or did they single out this guy for a good reason? As Lightcycle speculated maybe he was doing some things on his vacation that he shouldn't have been doing....
If you want your personal privacy to remain private then leave your phone and laptop at home. I'm flying to Jamaica Sunday, bringing my laptop and cell phone with me, ain't got nothing to hide and i'm fully aware that to travel in and out of Canada my belongings are subjected to a search.
It's the new world, instead of luggage now it's electronic devices.
Were the CSBA agents just out fishing, or did they single out this guy for a good reason? As Lightcycle speculated maybe he was doing some things on his vacation that he shouldn't have been doing....
If you want your personal privacy to remain private then leave your phone and laptop at home. I'm flying to Jamaica Sunday, bringing my laptop and cell phone with me, ain't got nothing to hide and i'm fully aware that to travel in and out of Canada my belongings are subjected to a search.
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I lube before and after crossing the border.........it's a cell phone bro....
Its a computer with all your personal information on it bro.
Welcome to 2015. The law needs to be adjusted and kept up to date for changing technologies. There's only so much information that the "1940's suitcase" can hold.
ps. this isn't about the device, it's about the CBSA forcing you into helping incriminate yourself
Welcome to 2015. The law needs to be adjusted and kept up to date for changing technologies. There's only so much information that the "1940's suitcase" can hold.
ps. this isn't about the device, it's about the CBSA forcing you into helping incriminate yourself
You should read the case law already established in R v Leask... They don't need permission however if their is reasonable grounds they will take the device and it may be years before you see it again.
They don't need permission to take the device, but they certainly would need a password to view its contents... the question this topic poses is whether or not their request for the password is lawful. Can I go to prison for not supplying the password?
This new case will help answer that question.
edit: the way R v Leask reads, his computer wasn't password protected, so it doesn't apply to this discussion
http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/...stice/2008/01/18/r-v-leask-2008-oncj-25.shtml
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The point is they can take the device and have it forensically looked at and the device is now gone for however long that takes. I know what the point of the case is, that aspect of it will be interesting to to watch, however my response was to caboose who said he wouldn't "permit" CBSA.
This thread is riddled with so much false, inaccurate and tin-foil hat paranoia it's kinda mind boggling to read. CBSA isn't interested in looking at people's devices for ***** and giggles and petty porn we all watch. They are looking for criminality. IE CHILD PORN, now knowing that all you yahoos with really nothing to hide suddenly going through with secret drives, and wiped phones...what do you think that accomplishes at the end of the day? I tell you what a waste of time money and resources spent on stupidity.
Since the majority of you are men, do you normally hang out outside female washrooms or elementary schools looking all sketch? Cuz really that sort of the negative attention one draws to them self when they start going overboard with the things like wiped phones and secret drives...you think you are being smart but all it does is raises the suspicion that there is something there to hide.
This thread is riddled with so much false, inaccurate and tin-foil hat paranoia it's kinda mind boggling to read. CBSA isn't interested in looking at people's devices for ***** and giggles and petty porn we all watch. They are looking for criminality. IE CHILD PORN, now knowing that all you yahoos with really nothing to hide suddenly going through with secret drives, and wiped phones...what do you think that accomplishes at the end of the day? I tell you what a waste of time money and resources spent on stupidity.
Since the majority of you are men, do you normally hang out outside female washrooms or elementary schools looking all sketch? Cuz really that sort of the negative attention one draws to them self when they start going overboard with the things like wiped phones and secret drives...you think you are being smart but all it does is raises the suspicion that there is something there to hide.
The problem is that caboose is not allowed to permit CBSA to do that search.
Government department #1, thou shalt keep these documents secret.
Government department #2, thou shalt inspect.
Who wins?
They sell $10 pay as you go phones down at the 7-11 if you are that paranoid about the CSBA rummaging through your phone and finding your pron. "Incriminating yourself" lol.
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