so long and short of it, my cogeco bill with some premium channels was about $150. that plus internet was little over $200. I put an over the air local antenna up and a Free to air sattlelite antenna which pulls about 200 stations. Many of the stations are eastern Europe and middle east and I don't understand the language, but there is some American content and BBC and the velocity channel, haven't figured it all out yet. But the best part I'm $150 bucks a month ahead. I'll keep the internet, it works well, and I had no problems with cogeco service, I just found there wasn't much I needed to watch for my $150. I had the whole thing installed by DR satellite for $940.00 all in. Yes I could have done it, but he's got all the settings for alignment and probably saved me a day(week) of tinkering, I calculate my payback is 7 months. Picture quality is awesome so far.