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When will OPP ticket left-lane hogs????

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Xhumeka said:
Fine - add "safely" to my sentence and I still think you are missing the point. Someone driving 105 in a 1990s piece of sh*t isn't any safer than someone driving 130 in a brand new BMW. Again my point is that it's not a left-lane-bandit's job to police the road for speed, THIS is the type of behavior that leads to road rage and if we can prevent road rage why not try???
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We can prevent road rage... If it is causing your panties to get all bunched up, then move to another of the multiple lanes and go around the vehicle which is "impeding" your travels. You are no more entitled to go fast in the left lane, than is the person who may be going slower than you WANT them to be going.

You are 100% correct it is NOT their place to "police" the speeds in the left, just as it is not your place to determine, that they need to go faster. Currently, the HTA, does NOT contain a section dealing specifically with left lane use.

Until that changes, if it leads to road rage, then it is the person, who is raging that is in the wrong. It can have devastating consequences, as the family of the young lady who lost her life a couple of weeks ago on the QEW, as a result of someone, taking what appears to be retaliatory actions because of a "perceived" wrong done to them.
 
hedo2002 said:
We can prevent road rage... If it is causing your panties to get all bunched up, then move to another of the multiple lanes and go around the vehicle which is "impeding" your travels. You are no more entitled to go fast in the left lane, than is the person who may be going slower than you WANT them to be going.
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Police already charge for speeding - let them do the policing.

I never get my knickers in a bunch, i like to think i'm one of the more calm drivers on the road. I started this thread because I've seen some VERY VERY stupid driving recently (more so than recent years it seems) and the situation isn't getting any better. As someone who is very patient, never swings 2 lanes to the right to make passes, etc, I was just wondering why more isn't being done to prevent the type of rage that I'm seeing.

I'm the kind of guy that will patiently sit 2 full chevrons behind the person in front of me - so maybe that's why I see so many "ragers" swinging out to pass on my right. I think this type of behavior is very dangerous and it's almost always caused by someone in the left lane cruising the same speed as a truck in the middle lane, and miles and miles of empty road in front of them.

So again, yes, I blame the ragers mostly - but many times they are raging because of poor driving etiquette. Good luck sending that rager to anger management - probably better to educate drivers was my thought. It has been interesting to hear everyone else's opinion...
 
hedo2002 said:
HTA, does NOT contain a section dealing specifically with left lane use.
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Uh... yes it does, the problem is there are no specific penalties for not following those laws. Maybe its time to give some teeth to the rules for cars and motorcycles.
 
That's the point....there is nothing in the rules that say the left is ONLY for passing. No law is being broken. It's perceived poor driving etiquette, nothing else. The fault lies with the rager. If you say hello to someone on the side walk and they don't respond are you getting ******? It's polite to respond, but what if they didn't hear you or even if they did and don't want to respond, it's not their problem. Only thing you can control is your response.
 
Riceburner said:
That's the point....there is nothing in the rules that say the left is ONLY for passing. No law is being broken. It's perceived poor driving etiquette, nothing else. The fault lies with the rager. If you say hello to someone on the side walk and they don't respond are you getting ******? It's polite to respond, but what if they didn't hear you or even if they did and don't want to respond, it's not their problem. Only thing you can control is your response.
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^this
 
Mad Mike said:
Uh... yes it does, the problem is there are no specific penalties for not following those laws. Maybe its time to give some teeth to the rules for cars and motorcycles.
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It would be hard to get a conviction on someone in the left lane going 115 or more. Arguing in court that the normal speed of traffic is at least 20% more than the speed limit seems like a loser scenario. As the left lane bandits speed drops the ticket becomes more viable (with a relatively easy win at 99 or less).
 
Mad Mike said:
The HTA does include rules on this, R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (1):

147 (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway.
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Riceburner said:
Please specify the section as I don't recall it.
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He put a relevant section before. It doesn't specifically address the left lane, but it does say keep right to if you are going slower than "normal".
 
It's not perceived poor driving when you are TAUGHT not to drive like this:


https://www.ontario.ca/document/official-mto-drivers-handbook/freeway-driving


Use the far left lane of a multi-lane freeway to pass traffic moving slower than the speed limit, but don't stay there. Drive in the right-hand lane when possible. On many freeways with three or more lanes in each direction, large trucks cannot travel in the far left lane and must use the lane to the right for passing. Get into the habit of driving in the right lane, leaving the other lanes clear for passing.
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"don't stay there" is the key point - regardless of wording of "speed limit" it's clear they train to NOT stay in the left hand lane unless passing.
 
Moral of the story:

Rage at your own risk(heart attacks anyone?)
You cant win. The cops wont buy your sob story, the judge wont either.

If your really in that big of a hurry, shoulder check, indicator, switch lanes and off you go.

#endthread?
 
at less than the normal speed of traffic
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There is no quantitative speed. As long as the left lane user is going even slightly faster than traffic, they can be there. No matter if their pass takes 100 meters or 1000 meters. I'm not defending the left hog, but if I want to go 130 and they are going 110, it's up to me to go by....kinda like racing/track days, it's up to the faster rider to make the pass.
 
Riceburner said:
There is no quantitative speed. As long as the left lane user is going even slightly faster than traffic, they can be there. No matter if their pass takes 100 meters or 1000 meters. I'm not defending the left hog, but if I want to go 130 and they are going 110, it's up to me to go by....kinda like racing/track days, it's up to the faster rider to make the pass.
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And I wasn't even talking about that scenario - when I referred to "hog" i meant someone that is literally hogging the entire lane, staying exactly beside a vehicle in the middle lane without passing, completely blocking traffic.
 
It's all about being considerate to others, and that nagging feeling you get (or don't get) when you are inconveniencing many others. I bet left lane hogs are the same people that:

-with a long lineup behind them will make a grocery store clerk spend 3 minutes price checking something across the store to save 20 cents
-will tow a motorhome or trailer at 80-85 km/h on a single-lane highway, watch a STREAM of traffic build up behind them, and not ever pull over to let the traffic flow by (and instead watches with glee the ragers behind them leap-frog with each other and endanger oncoming traffic in an attempt to get around you).
-stands to the left on an escalator... I don't even get standing at all on escalators (cue jerry seinfeld bit) but if you're going to do it, at least only block ONE lane of pedestrian traffic!

There are probably many others I could think of if I tried harder but these are the ones that pop out at me. And BTW, i'm one of those slow trailer guys at times, and even with ONE guy on my *** I'm going to try to edge over to let him pass at the next opportunity. And if there's a line behind me, i'll pull right over when its safe. Not because I care so deeply about their feelings or their need to get somewhere faster than me, only to prevent stupid driving that may in turn endanger ME. Preventing road rage is a selfish ME action!
 
^^ performing random
unsolicited acts of kindness
then getting frustrated
when others don't see how swell you are
are signs of being co-dependeent
it's not a healthy way to live
know what others think of you?
not a damn thing
people are so self absorbed
they don't have the time

this is an interesting topic
Canadians in general tend to be
very aware of what others think
all this constant apologizing
a nation of co-dependents
 
I spend 99% of my time in the right lane now that I’m driving an old slow diesel truck.

For every driver camping in the left lane there are ten who camp in the middle lane for no reason. I don’t get it.

10 cars lined up in the middle lane while the right and left lanes are empty.... why??
 
So they don't have to a) yield merging traffic ..... b) slower truck traffic ... c) deal with faster left lane traffic ..... so middle lane cruising it is.
 
JavaFan said:
^^ performing random
unsolicited acts of kindness
then getting frustrated
when others don't see how swell you are
are signs of being co-dependeent
it's not a healthy way to live
know what others think of you?
not a damn thing
people are so self absorbed
they don't have the time

this is an interesting topic
Canadians in general tend to be
very aware of what others think
all this constant apologizing
a nation of co-dependents
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Don’t even get me started on Trudeau


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Xhumeka said:
So someone in your vehicle is having a severe medical emergency - you will pull over and call for an ambulance instead of driving them as quickly as possible to the hospital?
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infernobuster said:
ummm yes.
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I would think this would differ on a case-by-case basis...

If you live close to a hospital (like within a 2 min drive), it would make sense to drive the person there while dialing 911.

Also, if you were in the middle of nowhere, such as Algonquin, it would likely be faster if you made your way to the hospital while on the phone with the 911 dispatcher to at least make some time getting closer to a hospital.

If you were in a city/town with moderate traffic and an intersection every kilometer, you're better off calling 911 and letting them make their way through traffic (which is pretty much anywhere in the GTA).
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