J_F
Guest
OP is asking why OPP doesn't do anything about
Not a damn thing they can about it
if HTA does not mention it
Is there?
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When will OPP ticket left-lane hogs????
- Thread starter Xhumeka
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Not a damn thing they can about it
if HTA does not mention it
Is there?
Mad Mike
Well-known member
The HTA does include rules on this, R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (1):
147 (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway.
Riceburner
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The problem is that "less than the speed of traffic"...up to the speed limit. They can't ticket a single vehicle for doing the speed limit....usually.
Skyway6
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i assume everyone saw this video of cop moving a left lane bandit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZhdvl_P1Zc&feature=youtu.be
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Mad Mike
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The might. I recall an OPP officer flashing over driver that was 'plugging' the left lane on the 400 -- he was in front of me for miles, running 10' back of bunch of semis at 105kmh. Ahead of him was a mile of clear road, behind him a jam of cars from Cookstown to Orillia. I don't know if the police stopped him or just got him out of the left lane.
[FONT="]Unnecessary slow driving prohibited
R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 132 (1). 132 (1) No motor vehicle shall be driven on a highway at such a slow rate of speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic thereon except when the slow rate of speed is necessary for safe operation having regard to all the circumstances. [/FONT]
Again that section, (as well as the one you cited earlier), are used for vehicles traveling UNDER, the posted limit. A Police officer can NOT force anyone to go over the posted limit. If an officer laid that charged and during questioning he admitted the driver was doing the limit or slightly above, as in the situation, you cited going 105, the charges would have to be dismissed.
Now there is of course the example of the case where a person and several of his friends, (after him being ticketed for speeding at 105 km\h on the 401). decided to hold a "protest" and drive side by side at 100 km/h along the 401 in Eastern Ontario. They were ticketed for impeding traffic, (and convicted0, because the officer's could demonstrate, it was an "organized attempt to block traffic". But for your average Joe driving at 105 in the left lane, who can show that they "were in the process of passing" without exceeding the limit by much, there is really little an officer can LEGALLY do. They "may" encourage the driver to move to the right, but without a charge.
J_F
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^^ so this supports the logical behaviour
if you are passing and cannot safely move to the right
it is within the law to continue your see safe speed
and be intimidated into excessive speeding
by a tailgater in a hurry
I'm gonna carry on doing what I've been doing
complete my pass safely
people that need to do 150
need to plan their day better
ain't my responsibility to aid in their dangerous behaviour
if you are passing and cannot safely move to the right
it is within the law to continue your see safe speed
and be intimidated into excessive speeding
by a tailgater in a hurry
I'm gonna carry on doing what I've been doing
complete my pass safely
people that need to do 150
need to plan their day better
ain't my responsibility to aid in their dangerous behaviour
Riceburner
Well-known member
Devil's advocate: The ones upset that someone going the legal limit in the left and blocking them are the ones thinking they are privileged over everyone else.
Xhumeka
Well-known member
Devil's advocate to devil's advocate - what if your wife suddenly and unexpectedly started giving birth while on the highway? There have been countless examples of how extreme speeding under certain scenarios is "legitimatized". How about just leaving the lane open in case of emergencies - how are you to know if someone is an angry speeder or has some sort of emergency?
There are MANY reasons why the "common sense" phrase "stay right unless to pass" is appropriate. Anyone arguing "I'm going 5km/hr above the speed limit so I can do whatever I please in the passing lane" clearly doesn't see the common sense reasoning behind this concept.
No one is saying to make an unsafe pass. If you're going to pass a vehicle at 5 kph faster than them, then what's the point in passing? They will unconsciously speed up as you attempt to pass, everyone does, and you'll end up stranded in the passing lane. If you can't make a safe pass, then slow down and pull back over. If you are going to pass, then do so, as quickly and safely as possible, then get back over. If you pull out to pass a truck up a hill that's going 80 and you're doing 82, then you're not part of the solution. If you then speed up to 140+ in the kilometer to the next truck, well I won't say what you are, but it isn't nice. If there are dozens of vehicles tailgating behind you, and even a short section of open road ahead, then it's not a good situation, and you are not part of the solution. Be part of the solution.
It's like the pot calling the kettle black, but with the pot being able to do something about it. All people are asking is that you try to not be part of the problem.
Riceburner
Well-known member
Actually the emergency situation has always been in the back of my mind, that's why if I see someone wailing up behind me I get out of their way. If I'm in the left it's cause I'm moving faster than the rest of traffic. If I come up to someone slower, I give them a chance to move over and if they don't I pass em in another lane.
Xhumeka
Well-known member
So someone in your vehicle is having a severe medical emergency - you will pull over and call for an ambulance instead of driving them as quickly as possible to the hospital?
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Laws are pretty specific and these don't say anything about speed other than you won't impeded traffic and you'll move right. There's a pretty good argument that the actual speed isn't the issue -- truck drivers tried this on when they got governed to 105KMh, now they are no longer entitled to the left lanes on 400 series 3 lane highways, and can only use the left on a 2 lane if they are faster than the vehicles to the right.
Truck drivers are charged under these laws today -- try to find one using the left lane on a 40x highway.
Xhumeka
Well-known member
Fine - add "safely" to my sentence and I still think you are missing the point. Someone driving 105 in a 1990s piece of sh*t isn't any safer than someone driving 130 in a brand new BMW. Again my point is that it's not a left-lane-bandit's job to police the road for speed, THIS is the type of behavior that leads to road rage and if we can prevent road rage why not try???
J_F
Guest
It's not my job to risk
a ticket or accident
to assist someone
that wants to go rocket speed
if I can safely move over I will
because I don't like to have
azzholes near me
if I can't
they can wait until I complete my pass
an emergency vehicle is different
they have equipment to alert drivers of the need to clear the lane
I agree with RB
It is an entitlement problem
people who want to go 150
feel entitled to be jerks
a ticket or accident
to assist someone
that wants to go rocket speed
if I can safely move over I will
because I don't like to have
azzholes near me
if I can't
they can wait until I complete my pass
an emergency vehicle is different
they have equipment to alert drivers of the need to clear the lane
I agree with RB
It is an entitlement problem
people who want to go 150
feel entitled to be jerks
If someone is having a true medical emergency, then you can dial 911, and the OPP and EMS will meet you at the next exit. If your wife is ACTUALLY giving birth then the appropriate course of action is to pull off to the shoulder, dial 911 and the call takers will talk you through the procedure while EMS and police are on their way. How is driving any faster, going to stop the child from being born? The fetus, isn't aware that your on the highway..lol When they are ready to come out they ARE ready to come out, regardless. So best to pull over and provide assistance, than to tailgate someone, and risk road rage or a collision.
If a true medical, police will catch up to you and then "escort you." The likelihood that the person riding your bumper in the left lane having a life threatening emergency are sooooo very minuscule, not even worth considering, besides if your having an "emergency" one would think, that vehicle would have it's four way flashers on, to indicate some sort of issue, other than they are a self entitled twit...
If a true medical, police will catch up to you and then "escort you." The likelihood that the person riding your bumper in the left lane having a life threatening emergency are sooooo very minuscule, not even worth considering, besides if your having an "emergency" one would think, that vehicle would have it's four way flashers on, to indicate some sort of issue, other than they are a self entitled twit...
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