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Anyone into gardening here?
- Thread starter shanekingsley
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Mine is starting to break through the asphalt layer now.I was going to mow the lawn but couldn't find the pontoons for the mower.
Sorry haven't been here in a bit to see this. For the soil type to use, just use straight up potting mix, because a decent potting mix already has perlite and vermiculite in it as well as peat. No need to add sand, because the drainage will be sufficient with the perlite and vermiculite in there, while water retention is gained by the peat. You should make sure that the plant is pre-moistened before the transplanting. After transplanting, water it well. About 2-3 weeks later, water it with a 50% diluted solution of 20-20-20. Repeat this same fert regimen again within the next 4 weeks. After a minimum of 6-8 weeks have passed since transplanting, you can now use a regular strength solution of 20-20-20 as needed and you should be good to go.
Hope that helps and let me know if you still have questions. Good luck!
If anyone is into exotic/odd plants look at banana-tree.com
You can't buy the plants as they won't export them but you can buy seeds and they are extremely cheap. The catch? Minimum $35 US order. I'm looking at ordering some but I don't know if I can get to the minimum. Mostly banana seeds, sensitive plant (mimosas, really cool plant with leaves that move if you touch them), some Passion flowers and maybe a heliconia or two. I might be willling to split an order and mail your seeds to you if anyone is interested.
You can't buy the plants as they won't export them but you can buy seeds and they are extremely cheap. The catch? Minimum $35 US order. I'm looking at ordering some but I don't know if I can get to the minimum. Mostly banana seeds, sensitive plant (mimosas, really cool plant with leaves that move if you touch them), some Passion flowers and maybe a heliconia or two. I might be willling to split an order and mail your seeds to you if anyone is interested.
Are there any issues with importing seeds from the USA? There are some specialty tomato ones I wouldn't mind getting but could they be seen as the next purple loose-trife?
They're from North Carolina, just a nice ride away.
No issues with seeds, only issues with bare root plants I think. Have a look at that website I mentioned. I think they have heritage tomato seeds there too. I have a friend that grows and saves the seed from a wide variety of tomatoes. Growing one called pineapple pig right now. A giant yellow beefsteak.
What are you guys using for pulling weeds? My back can't take bending over and the Garrant (sp?) one that I have you always have to take the weed out of it with your hands. And that is IF the weed actually got pulled.
My sister has a 3 prong Fiskars one that my mom said is a cinch to use. I'm also contemplating getting one of the propane torch ones. I've read that with some practice, they can be used effectively in the lawn.
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My sister has a 3 prong Fiskars one that my mom said is a cinch to use. I'm also contemplating getting one of the propane torch ones. I've read that with some practice, they can be used effectively in the lawn.
sent from my Purple LGG4 on the GTAM app
Weed B Gone in the concentrate with a sprayer.We have no weeds whatsoever.https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.weed-b-gon-1l-concentrate.1000719265.html
If weed b gone has 2,4d in it as the active ingredient that's not very good for anyone, pets included. I thought they had stopped selling some of these herbicides for domestic use though so I may be wrong. I don't want my pets hoovering stuff up their noses or rolling around in toxic products. I had a beagle that constantly was sniffing (as they do) and she got a nasal cancer that killed her. I'm pretty sure that was due to herbicides on grass.
I have a fiskars weed puller gizmo. No bending needed. Yanks out dandelions by the roots. If it gets too bad I just mow the lawn...after that everything looks green and it's all good.
I have a fiskars weed puller gizmo. No bending needed. Yanks out dandelions by the roots. If it gets too bad I just mow the lawn...after that everything looks green and it's all good.
Roadghost
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2-4-D isn't a health hazard when used properly. The chemical industry went to court over that. The reason it remains outlawed is because so many people used too much on their lawns it then became a hazard. It is still used on golf courses and farms. Half of Canadian provinces still allow its use. Health Canada also says 2-4-D is safe. If you watch David Suzuki on CBC however, you'll be fed a lot of alarmist nonsense about it killing people and destroying the environment.
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Not that alarmist, generally speaking if you can use a less toxic alternative to get a similar result for any use (even a chemical synthesis) then you should. The alternatives are much better in that sense, acetic acid (basically concentrated vinegar) and corn gluten. Also, slightly less safe in one way but better if you have pets is using a weed torch. Given the choice between ingesting acetic acid, corn gluten and 2,4-D I know what I would choose. Pets/critters don't really have that choice though and I just want to minimize any risk.
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Quoting from the infallible internet
"How does 2,4-D work?
2,4-D kills broadleaf weeds but not most grasses. 2,4-D kills plants by causing the cells in the tissues that carry water and nutrients to divide and grow without stopping. Herbicides that act this way are called auxin-type herbicides.
How might I be exposed to 2,4-D?
Products with 2,4-D may be used on farms, home lawns, roadsides, industrial areas, and pastures. You may be exposed if you are applying 2,4-D and you get it on your skin, breathe it in, or eat or smoke afterwards without washing your hands. You also may be exposed if you touch plants that are still wet with spray. You can limit exposure by following the label carefully if you are using products that contain 2,4-D. You can also stay away from grass or plants that have been treated until the leaves are dry.
What are some signs and symptoms from a brief exposure to 2,4-D?
Pure 2,4-D is low in toxicity if eaten, inhaled, or if it contacts the skin, and some forms are low in toxicity to the eyes. However, the acid and salt forms of 2,4- D can cause severe eye irritation. People who drank products containing 2,4- D vomited, had diarrhea, headaches, and were confused or aggressive. Some people also had kidney failure and skeletal muscle damage. People who spilled 2,4-D on their skin developed skin irritation. Breathing 2,4-D vapors can cause coughing, a burning feeling in the airway, and dizziness.
Pets may be exposed to 2,4-D if they touch grass or other plants still wet from spraying and then groom their feet or fur, if they drink the pesticide, or possibly if they eat grass that has been treated with 2,4-D. Dogs may be more sensitive to 2,4-D than other animals. Dogs and cats that ate or drank products with 2,4-D in them developed vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, lethargy, drooling, staggering, or convulsions. See the fact sheet on Pets and Pesticide Use for more information.
What happens to 2,4-D when it enters the body?
In humans, 2,4-D is not absorbed well through the skin or lungs, but it is absorbed into the body if swallowed. Sunscreen, insect repellents, and drinking alcohol may increase how much 2,4-D is absorbed through the skin. Once inside, 2,4-D moves throughout the body but does not build up in any tissues. The human body gets rid of most of the 2,4-D in the urine without changing it into anything else. More than 75% of the absorbed 2,4-D leaves the body in the first 4 days after exposure.
Is 2,4-D likely to contribute to the development of cancer?
Scientists have not found a clear link between 2,4-D and cancer in people. Because 2,4-D is often mixed with other herbicides, it is difficult to tell if 2,4-D or one of the other herbicides might be linked to cancer. Some studies have suggested that there may be links between non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and exposure to 2,4-D by itself, but other studies have not found any evidence of this.
In 2004, the EPA decided that 2,4-D could not be classified with regard to its ability to cause cancer because there was not enough data.
Has anyone studied non-cancer effects from long-term exposure to 2,4-D?
Animals fed high doses of 2,4-D for several weeks sometimes had fewer young or the young did not have normal skeletons. This only happened if the amount of 2,4-D fed to the mothers was enough to affect the mothers. 2,4-D has not been linked to health problems in human mothers or infants.
Are children more sensitive to 2,4-D than adults?
While children may be especially sensitive to pesticides compared to adults, there are currently no data to conclude that children have increased sensitivity specifically to 2,4-D.
What happens to 2,4-D in the environment?
2,4-D goes through different changes in the environment depending on its form. Most of the time, 2,4-D breaks down in soil so that half of the original amount is gone in 1-14 days. This breakdown time is called the "half-life" of the pesticide. One form of 2,4-D, the butoxyethyl ester, had a much longer half-life in aquatic sediment of 186 days.
2,4-D is broken down by bacteria in water and in soil. Water alone can also break down 2,4-D. 2,4-D has been found at low levels in shallow groundwater and streams in both rural and urban areas.
Can 2,4-D affect birds, fish, or other wildlife?
How 2,4-D affects animals and plants depends on the form of 2,4-D. Some of the ester forms of 2,4-D can be very toxic to fish and other aquatic life. The salt forms may be only slightly toxic to aquatic animals. Aquatic animals are more sensitive to 2,4-D as water temperature rises. 2,4-D may be moderately toxic to practically non-toxic to birds if they eat it. Eggs sprayed with 2,4-D still hatched and the chicks were normal. 2,4-D is practically non-toxic to honeybees. It is not expected to be a hazard to other beneficial insects."
Bob Newhart had a monologue about putting an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters with it resulting in one producing the entire written works of Shakespeare.
Similarly if one puts an infinite number of researchers in an infinite number of labs you would eventually get a report favouring your product or point of view.
"How does 2,4-D work?
2,4-D kills broadleaf weeds but not most grasses. 2,4-D kills plants by causing the cells in the tissues that carry water and nutrients to divide and grow without stopping. Herbicides that act this way are called auxin-type herbicides.
How might I be exposed to 2,4-D?
Products with 2,4-D may be used on farms, home lawns, roadsides, industrial areas, and pastures. You may be exposed if you are applying 2,4-D and you get it on your skin, breathe it in, or eat or smoke afterwards without washing your hands. You also may be exposed if you touch plants that are still wet with spray. You can limit exposure by following the label carefully if you are using products that contain 2,4-D. You can also stay away from grass or plants that have been treated until the leaves are dry.
What are some signs and symptoms from a brief exposure to 2,4-D?
Pure 2,4-D is low in toxicity if eaten, inhaled, or if it contacts the skin, and some forms are low in toxicity to the eyes. However, the acid and salt forms of 2,4- D can cause severe eye irritation. People who drank products containing 2,4- D vomited, had diarrhea, headaches, and were confused or aggressive. Some people also had kidney failure and skeletal muscle damage. People who spilled 2,4-D on their skin developed skin irritation. Breathing 2,4-D vapors can cause coughing, a burning feeling in the airway, and dizziness.
Pets may be exposed to 2,4-D if they touch grass or other plants still wet from spraying and then groom their feet or fur, if they drink the pesticide, or possibly if they eat grass that has been treated with 2,4-D. Dogs may be more sensitive to 2,4-D than other animals. Dogs and cats that ate or drank products with 2,4-D in them developed vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, lethargy, drooling, staggering, or convulsions. See the fact sheet on Pets and Pesticide Use for more information.
What happens to 2,4-D when it enters the body?
In humans, 2,4-D is not absorbed well through the skin or lungs, but it is absorbed into the body if swallowed. Sunscreen, insect repellents, and drinking alcohol may increase how much 2,4-D is absorbed through the skin. Once inside, 2,4-D moves throughout the body but does not build up in any tissues. The human body gets rid of most of the 2,4-D in the urine without changing it into anything else. More than 75% of the absorbed 2,4-D leaves the body in the first 4 days after exposure.
Is 2,4-D likely to contribute to the development of cancer?
Scientists have not found a clear link between 2,4-D and cancer in people. Because 2,4-D is often mixed with other herbicides, it is difficult to tell if 2,4-D or one of the other herbicides might be linked to cancer. Some studies have suggested that there may be links between non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and exposure to 2,4-D by itself, but other studies have not found any evidence of this.
In 2004, the EPA decided that 2,4-D could not be classified with regard to its ability to cause cancer because there was not enough data.
Has anyone studied non-cancer effects from long-term exposure to 2,4-D?
Animals fed high doses of 2,4-D for several weeks sometimes had fewer young or the young did not have normal skeletons. This only happened if the amount of 2,4-D fed to the mothers was enough to affect the mothers. 2,4-D has not been linked to health problems in human mothers or infants.
Are children more sensitive to 2,4-D than adults?
While children may be especially sensitive to pesticides compared to adults, there are currently no data to conclude that children have increased sensitivity specifically to 2,4-D.
What happens to 2,4-D in the environment?
2,4-D goes through different changes in the environment depending on its form. Most of the time, 2,4-D breaks down in soil so that half of the original amount is gone in 1-14 days. This breakdown time is called the "half-life" of the pesticide. One form of 2,4-D, the butoxyethyl ester, had a much longer half-life in aquatic sediment of 186 days.
2,4-D is broken down by bacteria in water and in soil. Water alone can also break down 2,4-D. 2,4-D has been found at low levels in shallow groundwater and streams in both rural and urban areas.
Can 2,4-D affect birds, fish, or other wildlife?
How 2,4-D affects animals and plants depends on the form of 2,4-D. Some of the ester forms of 2,4-D can be very toxic to fish and other aquatic life. The salt forms may be only slightly toxic to aquatic animals. Aquatic animals are more sensitive to 2,4-D as water temperature rises. 2,4-D may be moderately toxic to practically non-toxic to birds if they eat it. Eggs sprayed with 2,4-D still hatched and the chicks were normal. 2,4-D is practically non-toxic to honeybees. It is not expected to be a hazard to other beneficial insects."
Bob Newhart had a monologue about putting an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of typewriters with it resulting in one producing the entire written works of Shakespeare.
Similarly if one puts an infinite number of researchers in an infinite number of labs you would eventually get a report favouring your product or point of view.
kwtoxman
Well-known member
Ya know, acetic acid has been shown to have carcinogenic effects. But lets not get facts in the way of WAGs.
No, 24D does not cause cancer. It has been researched over and over.
http://www.producer.com/2016/04/24-d-doesnt-cause-cancer-health-canada/
24D is fine and no, people did not put so much on that it became a hazard, and no that wasn't the reason ON outlawed it. It has very low toxicity to non-weeds, and especially animals. I had a friend who's dog ate an entire 24D weed bar and the dog was fine.
It is considered the most studied and researched chemical on the planet, not to mention that it has been used for over 50 years. It has been reviewed as part of a class of chemicals that are amongst the most tightly and extensively evaluated, as well as routinely re-evaluated. Plus it is reviewed independently and redundantly across the world with many governments and organizations. Even with all sorts of testing it remains approved for use in Canada and many other places all over the world. The Canada PMRA recently re-reviewed again (and again and again) with approval.
24D banning in ON was another libtard political mouth exercise. There was no safety or health issue around the banning of it. Purely political.
Ontarian's get the type of government they deserve and voted for.
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