Failing to stop

[k193]

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Can we blame 172 for all of this? Would those that chose to run for a 172 charge run for a plate infraction? Would you run because your insurance slip was out of date? Where is the line in the sand that makes you decide not to stop for police?

All runners? No, but me? Yes. If you try to stop me and I was going 50 over, I'm gone...**** taking my bike for what is in some cases reasonable and necessary behavior to pass people safely.

Grew up in Ont, and did a few stupid things when younger, but I stopped when the blue lights flashed...until 172 came into play, now all bets are off. If you kill yourself trying to catch me its on you.

 

[Invincible]

there have been 2 times where i decided i should stop this year on the bike. first one was on the way home from flordia. was running on next to no sleep and didn't feel it was safe for me to run. cop end up going around me and pulled someone else over. second tome was in new york. i was running on 21 hours no sleep headed to Pennsylvania and at 3am nyst passes me. i pull over at the fist gas station and he makes a u turn and catches up to me. all the deer, pot holes, poor visibility made it an easy choice to pull over. didn't want to risk it. other than that they are going to have to work for it.

 

[MikeMrsguided]

My friend just got a 172 charge on the weekend..bike impounded for a week for doing a wheelie. If he did decide to run, and got home and the cop came to his door and handed him the stunt ticket does that mean you save the week long impound fee? Considering they're not going to tell you to open your garage so they can take it with a tow truck... All I know is I will be taking my chances if this situation happened to me.

 

[Bike Cop]

I had a wheelie charge plead down to 'follow too closely' in Newmarket court. The paralegal and prosecutor didn't like my suggestion that there was no appropriate amendment.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

My friend just got a 172 charge on the weekend..bike impounded for a week for doing a wheelie. If he did decide to run, and got home and the cop came to his door and handed him the stunt ticket does that mean you save the week long impound fee? Considering they're not going to tell you to open your garage so they can take it with a tow truck... All I know is I will be taking my chances if this situation happened to me.

You don't want to consider the possible repercussions of failing to surrender the vehicle.

(17) Every person who obstructs or interferes with a police officer in the performance of his or her duties under this section is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not less than $200 and not more than $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both. 2007, c. 13, s. 21.

 

[Low rider]

Number one reason cops want to trump up a speeding charge.
I had to do 160 to catch up to you. You had to be street racing.

What a load of bullcrap this is.
How many times have we heard this crap?

 

[Invincible]

apparently i had a cop going 180 to catch me and i was still pulling away in a honda crv during a hurricane down the 400 in the early am. how does a honda crv do over 180.

 

[-Maverick-]

My friend just got a 172 charge on the weekend..bike impounded for a week for doing a wheelie. If he did decide to run, and got home and the cop came to his door and handed him the stunt ticket does that mean you save the week long impound fee? Considering they're not going to tell you to open your garage so they can take it with a tow truck... All I know is I will be taking my chances if this situation happened to me.

If your friend ran, he would be nuts to have ridden home. Ride to a friends house, park the bike there for a week or so. Too much time will have passed for the cop to get a conviction as he/she needs to prove it was your buddy on the bike. Having a plate number is not enough for them.

If he followed your buddy into his driveway, and your buddy hid the bike in the garage, and refused to open it, he could charge your buddy for obstructing justice...which can get you jail time.

But that's not the case here.

Have a plan, and be willing to execute it. Or not. You have seconds to make that decision.

The good news for 172, is that since BC has raised their speed limits to 120 km/h, Ontario will likely follow suit. That puts a 172 charge up to 170 on the HWY.


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[Riceburner]

..... since BC has raised their speed limits to 120 km/h, Ontario will likely follow suit.....

Not holding my breath that long....

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Not holding my breath that long....

Unlikely to happen. I'm frankly surprised in BC has actually done this, as BC and Ontario have been in a battle for who can have the most draconian motor vehicle laws for years now.

 

[kiwi]

I had a wheelie charge plead down to 'follow too closely' in Newmarket court. The paralegal and prosecutor didn't like my suggestion that there was no appropriate amendment.

Wow.. Follow too closely? What's that? A $35 fine?

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Wow.. Follow too closely? What's that? A $35 fine?

Sometimes the 'alternate' charges are a little out of whack, because there is no clear lesser charge. In this case the 'lesser' would have been 'operation without due care and attention', which obviously is a pretty big slap-down. When you see something like this it's generally a case of the prosecutor just not caring enough to go forward with the original charge.

 

[k193]

Sometimes the 'alternate' charges are a little out of whack, because there is no clear lesser charge. In this case the 'lesser' would have been 'operation without due care and attention', which obviously is a pretty big slap-down. When you see something like this it's generally a case of the prosecutor just not caring enough to go forward with the original charge.

lol, "not caring enough".

I've seen several seemingly pro-legal authority posts from you that are pretty nonsensical in nature...are you a LEO?

prosecutors are absolutely ruthless, the only reason they EVER give ground is when they know they don't have a good chance to get a conviction.

if they agree to plead down to a much lesser charge you can believe that you likely could have gotten a dismissal if you went ahead with a good agent/lawyer.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

lol, "not caring enough".

I've seen several seemingly pro-legal authority posts from you that are pretty nonsensical in nature...are you a LEO?

prosecutors are absolutely ruthless, the only reason they EVER give ground is when they know they don't have a good chance to get a conviction.

if they agree to plead down to a much lesser charge you can believe that you likely could have gotten a dismissal if you went ahead with a good agent/lawyer.

Actually no, despite having been called a LEO several times (not to mention lawyer, professor, or cop hater depending upon the bias of the person posting), I am not one. I'm just a person who, among other things, has witnessed prosecutors drop cases to significantly lesser charges, on several occasions, because to fight for a conviction would take too much time and effort even when the case could clearly be won. For example when I saw a prosecutor drop a careless driving charge down to an improper left turn when he hit and injured a motorcyclist while driving with suspended license and no insurance. The motorcyclist was taken off to the hospital on a backboard and the incident occurred in front of a crowded patio bar.

That isn't the only such example I've seen but it sticks out in my mind the most, because I was the motorcyclist.

 

[Baggsy]

Number one reason cops want to trump up a speeding charge.
I had to do 160 to catch up to you. You had to be street racing.

What a load of bullcrap this is.
How many times have we heard this crap?

Um, zero. Last time I went by a cop like that, I was doing 120, by the time he caught up.

He gave me the slow down hand sign and accelerated away.

I've never considered not stopping.

 

[dasiffy]

Wow.. Follow too closely? What's that? A $35 fine?

headway HTA 158

has a "general penalty 214(1)" of more than $60 and a max of $500

following too closely also gives 4 demerit points, if you think they have any real meaning at all.

 

[Face]

Actually no, despite having been called a LEO several times (not to mention lawyer, professor, or cop hater depending upon the bias of the person posting), I am not one. I'm just a person who, among other things, has witnessed prosecutors drop cases to significantly lesser charges, on several occasions, because to fight for a conviction would take too much time and effort even when the case could clearly be won. For example when I saw a prosecutor drop a careless driving charge down to an improper left turn when he hit and injured a motorcyclist while driving with suspended license and no insurance. The motorcyclist was taken off to the hospital on a backboard and the incident occurred in front of a crowded patio bar.

That isn't the only such example I've seen but it sticks out in my mind the most, because I was the motorcyclist.

Wow, that totally sucks! Were you a witness at that trail? It shows no respect at all for the victims of an accident if they did that right in front of you.

I had someone with a suspended licence and invalid insurance make a left turn into me while turning into a bingo parlor. I swerved to avoid T-boning her and did more damage to my car than hers. I got summoned to testify as a witness 3 times and she never showed up. She finally got convicted in absentia, but they gave in to every BS excuse she sent in and couldn't care less abut making me keep coming back.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Wow, that totally sucks! Were you a witness at that trail? It shows no respect at all for the victims of an accident if they did that right in front of you.

I had someone with a suspended licence and invalid insurance make a left turn into me while turning into a bingo parlor. I swerved to avoid T-boning her and did more damage to my car than hers. I got summoned to testify as a witness 3 times and she never showed up. She finally got convicted in absentia, but they gave in to every BS excuse she sent in and couldn't care less abut making me keep coming back.

I was more than just a witness at that trial. I was the victim. I hit the gas tank at about 50 Kmh and dented it. The prosecutor asked if I was 'OK with the reduced charge' and they way that he was pushing it, he clearly didn't want to go to trial. He kept saying that there was no assurance of a conviction. Is there ever?

I also went to trial as a victim/witness, on less than 24 hours notice, for the case in which a driver plowed into me from behind while not even bothering to see what was directly in front of him. He assumed that I was going to blow the light and make a right turn, on the red. The 90+ Kmh transport truck on the cross street stopped me from making the turn, but it didn't stop the car behind me. He took the time to plead not guilty to 'following too closely'. The cop gave him a break for owning up, on scene, but when he didn't show up to the trial he had requested himself, the cop sure wished that he hadn't cut him that break.

 

[gsxr guy]

I had a wheelie charge plead down to 'follow too closely' in Newmarket court. The paralegal and prosecutor didn't like my suggestion that there was no appropriate amendment.

Do you mean you were charged with a wheelie charge, whatever that is? I assume you mean 172. Or did you charge someone with 172? Either way did whomever it was get reimbursed for towing and impound fees? Not a very clear story coming from a cop.

 

[kiwi]

Do you mean you were charged with a wheelie charge, whatever that is? I assume you mean 172. Or did you charge someone with 172? Either way did whomever it was get reimbursed for towing and impound fees? Not a very clear story coming from a cop.

You never get impound/tow fees back . thats the thing... Check the legal forum.. OPP cop taking kick backs from two truck buddies for false charges

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