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The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread

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I passed on the opportunity to buy a customer's V8 M3 recently at a very nice price before he traded it in... I couldn't shake shaking the image.
 
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Pure gold. The Honda blows the red light and the Mazda driver assumed right away to clear the intersection as the light turned from Amber to red. And then the Mazda driver can't believe what's happening and end up trying to evade the Honda in the most crazy way.
 
Impact around 18 seconds

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LOL ... did she run the light? There are so many wrongs here ... almost every driver seen in the video should surrender their licence.
 
That was the claim of the left turner, who I assume thought the light changed because the car in the left lane stopped; but if you look close, the car on the left had no choice but to stop as the left turner was already in his lane. Once that car stopped, the left turner gunned it, unsighted, right into the path of the red car... I'd say it's all on the left turner here.
 
o.k. but your concept of what the majority does, comes completely from anecdotal evidence. Are you willing to change?

My basic premise is to get from point A to point B as quickly and safely as possible, while allowing others to do the same.
I happen to drive and ride mostly in the right lane, as that was what I was taught, and given demerits for when I didn't. If I'd done it too much, I would have failed my G license exam. I'm not sure if that's changed to fit your new scenario, but I've never been honked at, given the finger, or brake checked in the right hand lane. It also tends to have a more consistent speed, and when you come upon a slower moving vehicle, there is usually the option to pass on the left when outside of Toronto.

There are those who would try and force you to fit their example of driving, by cutting you off, brake checking you, and driving at exactly the speed limit beside another vehicle and then accelerating to 150 kph or more, when you try and pass. I don't like those reindeer games, and try to keep as far from those people as possible, whether in front of them, or behind. You can't teach them anything, and anything you do will be taken in as negative a light as possible, so I don't even try. I will however model the driving that I see as working well. That included driving to the right, passing quickly and safely to the left when I can. I like to allow others to pass me, as it takes the burden of speed traps off the table, diffuses any volatility in the situation, and allows me to relax behind the wheel or at the bars. Like I said before, I try and allow for the mistakes of others, and hope that those others will do likewise, when I make a mistake, which I try to minimize.

Anyways, its good to discuss things like this as we find that one person's definition of a bad driver, or mediocre driver, may be another person's definition of a good one, and can work toward some sort of consensus. Or maybe there's just some apathy or ignorance on the part of some drivers.
Sorry for bringing this discussion back if you thought it was dead. I just haven't had time to respond.

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding. I don't have a problem with the way you drive. It seems safe, aware, and respectful of other road users. The thing that has me upset is the way people too easily dismiss the actions or opinions of a whole swath of people, and I'm using this question of your driving style vs the GTA to highlight that problem. It's bad enough when people are too quick to judge individuals, rather than try to understand them, but people apply the same sweeping generalisation to whole groups it really signals an important problem about tolerance and understanding in society. I admit this is a pet peeve of mine, so my criticism can be pretty sharp but I think it's justified. So screw you :p (kidding)

Yes, as you say my concept of "what the majority does" is anecdotal, but more to the point it's a reflection of what your concept of "what the majority does" seems to be based on your posts. Your criticism is of the whole GTA, and the frequency that large number of drivers here seem to offend your driving ethos. If I've misread you then my point is lost, and I apologize. But that clearly seems to be your perspective from all you've said. And it's a perfect example of a complete failure to even try and understand, and even dismissing large numbers of people instead because it's the easy thing to do.

As I said in my first reply, there's a perfectly good reason for people cruising in the left lanes, outside of restricted-access highways. It works better that way. Sure, the rules recommend staying right as much as possible, but 1* they are not enforced (which probably confirms my take that they are 'recommendations'), and 2* that doesn't work best. This is particularly evident when there are more than 2 lanes in one direction (like much of Steeles Ave). In rural areas, keeping right makes more sense and we'd probably find even GTA drivers do this when they are out of the city.

The point isn't the argument over what's best practice, but that you need to recognise that millions of drivers in a region you don't live have formed their own informal driving rules. You need to stop for a second and consider that maybe it's for a good reason, and maybe they're not a whole bunch of idiots.
 
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Who would be at fault here do you think? I mean obviously the woman should pay more attention, but at the same time she was crossing with the light, so wouldn't she have the right of way?
 
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Who would be at fault here do you think? I mean obviously the woman should pay more attention, but at the same time she was crossing with the light, so wouldn't she have the right of way?
what are you referring to?
 

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