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caboose56 said:
If you go back and look at his riding in Moto2 and Moto3, and even through his first 2-3 motoGP seasons, this behavior is not an anomaly. This is how he rides and how he races. He races with zero respect for his competition.
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yes.. this.

his recklessness never changed. we just don't see it as much on races because he's often in the front. if he needs to start in the back of the grid we would see something stupid every race.

agreed that he's talented, but never like him since his reckless antics back in Moto2.
 
I'll just put this here!
I'm sure Wilairot had something to say about Marc's aggressive antics. Even the marshalls aren't safe.
[video=youtube;Wm13IbseA74]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm13IbseA74[/video]
 
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Well to be fair, many of those when you watch the entire race were not his fault and as much as I think he was a total dick in this past race and the entire 2016 season, you can pretty much put a highlight real like that about any racer maybe with the exception of Dani.

OMMRA said:
I'll just put this here!
I'm sure Wilairot had something to say about Marc's aggressive antics. Even the marshalls aren't safe.
[video=youtube;Wm13IbseA74]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm13IbseA74[/video]
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caboose56 said:
The Cole's notes version of their quarrel:
- Inadvertent contact between the two riders at the Argentina GP resulted in Marquez crashing
- Ridiculous last lap last corner dive bomb attempt at the Assen GP saw Marquez hit Rossi, push Rossi into the gravel, Rossi rode through the gravel full throttle and back onto the track to win the race.
- Ridiculous on track shenanigans between the two at the Sepang GP saw Rossi get fed up with what he believed was Marquez trying to trip him up. Rossi got inside Marquez in one corner then intentionally pushed him wider and wider to the edge of the track. Some people will say Rossi kicked Marquez' brake lever, others will say Marquez drove into the side of Rossi.... but Marquez fell.
- War of words between the two.
- Marquez, Rossi, Ianone and Lorenzo had what appeared to be one of the most phenomenal 4-way battles for a race win ever with countless position changes among the group, then at the end of the race Marquez suddenly checks out and wins.
- Rossi and some of his fans speculated that Marquez was intentionally tripping up Rossi to help Lorenzo win the title.
- Further on track action at the season finale at Valencia could be viewed as evidence to that effect.

Through 2016 and 2017 their quarrel seemed to have died down. Marquez didn't make too many stupid decisions between then and now.

If you go back and watch some of Marquez' racing highlights from moto3, moto2 and motoGP before you started watching you can see a pattern in his behavior. In one of his most stupidest displays of decision making ability he crashed so hard he almost went blind.
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Awesome summary. I have some catching up to do!
 
Todd929 said:
MM, in the post race interview, said that he did the race 100% right (or something like that). He felt his pass on A. Espargaro was a bit much but didn't see anything wrong with all of his other incidents.

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I'm not sure what's more dangerous: his actions on the track or the fact that he doesn't/can't see that he's doing anything wrong.
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He knows what he did was wrong. Why else did he raise his hand after each incident as if to say, "Sorry, my bad".

Or maybe that gesture really means, "F*** you, next time get outta my way!"
 
Lightcycle said:
He knows what he did was wrong. Why else did he raise his hand after each incident as if to say, "Sorry, my bad".

Or maybe that gesture really means, "F*** you, next time get outta my way!"
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Further to that, he thinks the simple hand wave after a berm-pass or an apology in the paddock after the race makes it ok. Token gestures and apologies mean nothing if there's no change in behavior. Marquez' comments during interviews after the race make it clear that he has no intention of changing.... so he's not sorry at all and the apologies were meaningless.
 
caboose56 said:
Further to that, he thinks the simple hand wave after a berm-pass or an apology in the paddock after the race makes it ok. Token gestures and apologies mean nothing if there's no change in behavior. Marquez' comments during interviews after the race make it clear that he has no intention of changing.... so he's not sorry at all and the apologies were meaningless.
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I totally agree. Hand waving to a competitor that you just ran out onto the grass, doesn't make everything ok. In the post race interview he mentioned that as well. "I raised my hand and apologized...." As if that made everything ok.

Would love to know what happened with the pass he made on Vinales on the last lap. I read on another forum that he had an aggressive pass on Smith as well.
 
Todd929 said:
I totally agree. Hand waving to a competitor that you just ran out onto the grass, doesn't make everything ok. In the post race interview he mentioned that as well. "I raised my hand and apologized...." As if that made everything ok.

Would love to know what happened with the pass he made on Vinales on the last lap. I read on another forum that he had an aggressive pass on Smith as well.
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Here you go:

https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/8axnq0/i_rewatched_the_whole_race_from_marquez_onboard/

So I wanted to leave all the if's/but's and maybe's at the door.. How many riders did Marquez collide with during the 2018 Argentinian GP.
Link for those with Videopass: http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/201...-breathtaking-argentina-motogp-in-full/254744
Marquez is On-Board #2.
Obviously for those following this so far, my opinions are clear on this, so you can take the following as my reading of the visual evidence.
First things first.. There was zero contact between Zarco and Pedrosa, it was shown clearly from the back of Marquez's bike. Pedrosa sat up in surprise at a rider on his inside, and then gassed it on a damp spot.
First contact - Aleix. there was NO room there. That move was never on. Actually worse than I thought it was originally.
Hard to see the Nakagami one, it doesn't LOOK like there's contact, but Marquez definitely runs him very wide attempting the exact same turn 13 maneuver.
Bashes elbows with Morbidelli seconds before putting his hand up to give back the position for his penalty. Morbidelli is sat up in surprise. No contact.
More possible contact with Morbidelli, going around his outside at turn 4, looks like they had a gentle tap. Marquez continues around the outside, but outside of the white racing track limit lines.
No contact between Smith and Marquez, though the same turn 13 divebomb. If Smith had turned in without suspecting Marquez up the inside then it would have been a repeat of Espargaro/Rossi.
Contact between Rabat and Marquez turn 12. Rabat had a wobble on the racing line, Marquez kept it pinned and went for a very small gap and rode through him, bashing fairings and elbows.
He came from quite far back on Rossi, further back than any of the attacks on the other riders so far. No way Rossi would have known that move was coming. I also don't hear or see any lockup that Marquez described in his interview.
Vinales took a defensive line through turn 13 last lap and ran very wide, no contact here.
So that is 4, and I suspect 5 hits on 4 riders, with an additional 2 divebombs at turn 13 that ended with no contact. The rest of the moves were clean, though some are definitely hard, but fair.
THE GIFFENING

I'm sharing these for the sake of discussion. However if you feel shots like this are worth seeing please consider paying for the MotoGP multipass.
'Unfortunately' the helicam missed most of the action as they were quite rightfully following the lead riders for the whole race.
Timestamps:
36:15 Bike stall on grid https://giant.gfycat.com/FastCheapGrizzlybear.webm
38:30 Pedrosa/Zarco Incident https://giant.gfycat.com/AppropriateMintyCricket.webm Helicamhttps://giant.gfycat.com/MiserableFinishedLarva.webm
51:46 Aleix/Marquez crash (extra long gif to show that Marquez was NOT 6 seconds faster)https://giant.gfycat.com/PresentBadGrackle.webm
54:05 Marquez/Nakagami https://giant.gfycat.com/FlakyJaggedAsp.webm
Courtesy of /u/blablauser https://gfycat.com/LivelyFlatAmericanwigeon
54:24 Marquez/Morbidelli 1 https://giant.gfycat.com/IdioticLightheartedAstrangiacoral.webmhttps://streamable.com/w6rqo
56:30 Marquez/Morbidelli 2 https://giant.gfycat.com/AchingFrayedBelugawhale.webm
57:30 Marquez/Smith https://giant.gfycat.com/FabulousOldfashionedAmericancreamdraft.webm
1:04:00 Marquez/Rabat https://giant.gfycat.com/GrimyCalculatingAfricanfisheagle.webm
1:10:50 Marquez/Rossi https://giant.gfycat.com/ElderlySleepyBasil.webm
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My thoughts.

Aleix pass - worthy of penalty
Nakagami pass - aggressive but ok
Morbidelli pass(es) - really aggressive but ok
Smith pass - aggressive but ok
Rabat pass - worthy of penalty/black flag/dq
Rossi pass - worth of penalty
 
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I watched some of the race again from Marquez's onboard camera. Vinales just appeared to go too deep and wide on the brakes into turn 13 all by himself. Marc also set up very wide on the entry and might have been planning to take Vinales on the exit of the turn, as he wasn't close enough to jam it in on the entry like with Rossi.
 
anyone going down to Austin?
I'm headed to the gulf coast
will mosey over that way and see 46 vs 93 live
can't pass up drama like that

but seriously just hoping for a good
clean and competitive race
would like to see Zarco get a W
if Crashlow gets on the podium
have to celebrate with a warm beer, and fish & chips
 
General Admission for 3 days is 99 US
for just Sunday it's 61.95
not sure how good/crappy seats are gonna be for GA
 
JavaFan said:
General Admission for 3 days is 99 US
for just Sunday it's 61.95
not sure how good/crappy seats are gonna be for GA
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General Admission is a gamble but you can find some decent vantage points if you get there early enough on race day. I was there in 2016 and watched the race from the top of the front straight at turn 1 (grass area) close to where Rossi crashed that same year. Decent spot but you only see them coming down the straight. I watched qualifiers from the grass area near turn 3-6 (I think?) that was nice as you see them go through the S’s.
I went the year before in 2015 but had grand stand seats at turn 15 for the Sunday which was nice since you see a little bit of the back straight plus turn 13-16. I only had GA for qualifiers but I told the person at the gate that I only wanted to take some pictures. He let us through but told us to just move in case we were in someone else’s seat. They were definitely more lenient during FP and qualifiers since there’s not many people there. I can imagine they get slammed when F1 is in town!

The Texas sun is super hot and one year it rained which sucked since we were on the grass area. The only thing I didn’t like was that there wasn’t as many monitors (big screens) to watch the race from when your in GA. So when the bikes go by, you’re wondering what’s happening with the action. Plus the commentary was not what I was used to. No nick Harris when it’s live.
But the sound of that Ducati flying by was awesome tho !


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thanks triple 7

may spend a few more bucks for grandstand seating
the monitors to follow the whole race would be good

or maybe just get GA for Saturday
watch the show Sunday in a Texas pub instead :)
 
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