Blackfin, you keep referring to "the other side" as only speaking of straight pipes...
Because they express this position either explicitly or implicitly by way of saying that any non-stock exhaust is "pissing off" everybody within a several-block radius. Very few even acknowledge a middle-ground exists in this issue.
The issue is perhaps you do ride your bike at an appropriate RPM (although in one of your own last posts you refer to "riding in a lower gear to elevate the nosie level"). Problem is way too many other rides who have aother than stock pipes, NOTE I did not say straight pipes, also ride their bikes at redline and then wonder why the hell people get ******.
Well, I'd say that just about any bike, stock or not, ridden at WOT and/or at redline is going to piss some segment of the population off.
You say no one has ever yelled at you because of your loud pipes, Again if your riding appropriately why would they?
Indeed. So it
is possible to have pipes louder than stock, which enhance my conspicuity around other drivers while not pissing off everyone. This is all I've been saying all along hedo.
I posted the example of sititng in my living room and hear a sport bike red lining it that was creating excessive noise for at least 2 km. I guess because he didn't see or hear me I was giving him/her my approval??
Again,
any sport bike in
any gear at redline is likely exceeding the speed limit by a considerable amount; if the noise is discernible for 2km he's likely running from the police (or something...) and noise is the last of anyone's problem.
Can we not focus on ludicrous fringe/outlier cases like this? You'll not find anyone on "my side" of the debate supporting a guy like that.
As Private pilot just tried and failed miserably to point out it is subjective, but your point is no more valid than any other poster in the thread. Simply because they don't share your opinion on what may be acceptable sound level.
Sorry, I don't agree. The "con" side is largely fixated on the open-pipe abusers and cherry-picking
hear-for-2km-at-redline cases -- cases
everyone agrees are egregious -- and is ignoring the configurations that are louder than stock but not annoying to the point of people calling the police -- cases that beneficially enhance conspicuity but don't tread too far, if at all, into people's subjective opinions about motorcycle noise.
If loud pipes were not an issue for anyone then feel free to educate us on why more and more municpalities, and even some rural areas are feeling the need to implement noise bylaws targeted specifically at loud motorcycle pipes, (given that I am sure all ride with the same level of courtesy you say you do)?
In some cases it's because people run
open pipes.
In some cases it's because people running even stock-exhausted sport bikes are racing on the roads at high speeds and high RPM.
In some cases it's because money talks: Well heeled individuals living on giant estates on twisty country roads don't want
any motorcycles or sports cars enjoying "their" roads.
It is actually the argument that your presenting, (loud pipes save lives), which is countered by your own dislike of refernece to straight pipes. Logis would dictate following your argument that if increased sound is a safety feature, then logic would say the louder the sound the more protection offered. Obviously an obnoxiously loud straight pipe would be much more likely to be heard by a potential left turner than only a "slightly louder pipe" and obviously moreso than a stock pipe.
In fact hedo, if you search through this thread I touched upon this very subject. The post it was mentioned (post #39) was the same one where I mentioned the benefits of motorcycles making noise and thus increasing conspicuity as illustrated by the increasing problem of quiet e-bikes running into pedestrians that didn't know the bike was there. You may have missed it because you rushed to deride that point in a later post.
But in the post mentioned, I said "
I'd agree that an open pipe exiting under the engine is "obnoxious." I'd say he's maximizing his noise conspicuity at the expense of good will and, perhaps, good taste. But like other things, this needn't be a binary decision. It is possible for an exhaust to be loud enough to enhance conspicuity without being "obnoxious." I think a full-can exhaust like the Yoshi, especially with the insert installed, is a good example. "
A horn is NOT just for panic situations it can also be used to simply advise another road user of your presence.
Horn use of this nature is not uncommon in places like Mexico City and the Caribbean. Drivers there often give short "toots" as they pass other cars or buses or whatever. That's not general practice here. If someone hits the horn here it's because someone else has encroached or is in the process of encroaching into their space.
I get it your entrenched in your belief and opinion.
As are you and the others...
I have tried to listen to and agreed in some areas with your arguments, but I know you will not and can not be swayed form your rock solid position. So you have my blessing to ride as you see fit and with whatever equipment you choose to put on your bike. It won't make a slight difference to me, at all, for even when anything other than stock pipes are banned, I can still ride my bike as it is setup.
As will I. I have all the parts needed to convert mine back to bone stock should something come to pass.
I would "miss" the sound and the benefits I perceive from being just that much more conspicuous to other drivers and pedestrians but it doesn't define my riding. If it happens, it happens.
