Heck, lets go wild and double it, or triple it ... or maybe a 1$ for kWh doom and gloom to give the H2 time to catch up? ... LOL ... or you are thinking there will be so much publicly available H2 soon that it's price will drop like a rock? ... LOL2
I get your point, but your'e over on the mileage by about 60%.And that is the argument for electricity....less than a dollar of electricity will take you 40km.
On a good day with no need for AC or heat, an EV will go about 3.5km on 1kwh of electricity. At today's rates of .14/kwh, that's about 4 cents/km, so for a buck you're gonna go 25KM.
I trust your numbers -- mine are based on GM's specs. Also remember, your 10KWh battery takes at least 12kwh of juice to charge, a 16kwh battery needs about 20kwh to charge (you have to pay for the losses in your charger). If you get 55km on a 10kwh battery, your mileage is 4.6km/kwh, if you got 73km, that would be 6.1km/kwh.Not sure where you pulled those numbers out, but it's you that's wildly off, not 800over.
The 2011-2012 first gen Volt (the generation we own 2 of) has about 10kw usable and is factory rated for 55KM. That's 5.5KM/kwh.
In your situation of good day, no heat or AC requirement, I have personally gone 73KM on that same 10KW. That's 13KM/kwh.
Manulife Real Estate has 23 Level 2 charging stations in Toronto, which they offer as a free amenity to their shoppers and tenants.
I trust your numbers -- mine are based on GM's specs.
Also remember, your 10KWh battery takes at least 12kwh of juice to charge
Fully charging a battery requires 20% more electricity than the battery can hold -- you buy the energy lost in charging. When you mention $0.07/kwh, you forgot to include delivery, regulatory, and HST costs. Where I live, Markham, off peak electricity costs $0.065/kwh for the juice + $0.044 delivery+regulatory + $0.014HST = $12.3 cents/kwh.
So, if we look at this again, my energy costs are on, likely low - I doubt anyone can do near 100% off peak charging.
There is a lot to go over.For what vehicle? Like I said, the 2011-2012 Volt was factory rated for 55KM electric. It has 10.4kwh usable, to be exact.
That comes out to 5.28KM/kw, to be exact, not 3.5km/kw as you mentioned.
Plenty of real-world experieence shows that in the aforementioned "ideal" scenarios you mentioned, these ratings are easily exceeded often by 20% or more, raising the KM per KW figures even more.
And yes, I did the math wrong on my 73KM figure, ran them through the calculator backwards while I was in a rush to head out the door...corrected that.
Fair enough argument, but if you do the math again using the amount consumed to charge (as opposed to what the vehicle actually utilized) that still comes out to 4.58KM/kw.
Again, not factual. At 120V there's about a 12% overhead, and at 240V that goes down to about 8%. This is as tested by many people in the EV community.
As for all the delivery fees, etc.....I am of the opinion that those don't necessarily count as you are paying for them anyways because you would still have electricity service to your house (and accordingly, those fees) regardless if you owned an EV or not. Yes, they may slide up a little because of increased consumption, but in the grand scheme of overall usage an EV will still only account for a fraction of the homes overall consumption anyways.
As battery sizes grow charging will shift to almost exclusively off-peak, actually. Even with just our Volts and their smaller batteries we still both charge during off peak 95% of the time. The ONLY time I charge during mid pea or peak rates is if I know I'm going to be driving again later in the day and will need those kilowatts to avoid switching to gas - and even paying full on-peak rates, electric is still WAY cheaper than gas, so it makes financial sense.
If I had something like a Bolt/Tesla/etc where 99.9% of my days I'm still arriving home with plenty of kilowatts left in the battery there'd be absolutely no reason to be charging at anything BUT off peak, so yes, 100% off peak charging is a reality.
I get your point, but your'e over on the mileage by about 60%.
On a good day with no need for AC or heat, an EV will go about 3.5km on 1kwh of electricity. At today's rates of .14/kwh, that's about 4 cents/km, so for a buck you're gonna go 25KM.
I think the more interesting thing will be watching gov't find ways to replace taxes they currently collect at the pump.It will be really interesting to see what happens to the price and supply of gas when alternatives become more in demand.
There is no argument that EVs are way cheaper to operate. WAY CHEAPER. My point is that exaggerating the savings only serves to undermine the credibility of an already credible argument.
I think the more interesting thing will be watching gov't find ways to replace taxes they currently collect at the pump.
Better than lining the oil company's pockets
Volkswagen will equip 16 plants to produce electric vehicles by the end of 2022. (MICHAEL SOHN / THE ASSOCIATED PRESS FILE PHOTO)
By CHRISTOPH RAUWALDBloomberg
CHRIS REITER
Tues., March 13, 2018
Volkswagen AG secured 20 billion euros ($25 billion U.S.) in battery supplies to underpin an aggressive push into electric cars in the coming years, putting pressure on Tesla Inc. as it struggles with production issues for the mainstream Model 3.
The world’s largest carmaker will equip 16 factories to produce electric vehicles by the end of 2022, compared with three currently, Volkswagen said Tuesday in Berlin.
The German manufacturer’s plans to build as many as 3 million of the cars a year by 2025 is backstopped by deals with suppliers including Samsung SDI Co., LG Chem Ltd. and Contemporary Amperex Technology Ltd. for batteries in Europe and China.
With the powerpack deliveries secured for its two biggest markets, a deal for North America will follow shortly, Volkswagen said. In total, the Wolfsburg-based automaker has said it plans to purchase about 50 billion euros in batteries as part of its electric-car push, which includes three new models in 2018 with dozens more following.
Volkswagen’s battery plans compare to Tesla’s $17.5 billion worth of purchase obligations, primarily related to buying lithium-ion cells from Panasonic, according to a recent filing. Volkswagen called its battery tender one of the biggest purchasing initiatives in the auto industry.
As of next year, the 12-brand group will roll out a new battery-powered model “virtually every month,” Chief Executive Officer Matthias Mueller said at the company’s annual press conference. “This is how we intend to offer the largest fleet of electric vehicles in the world.”
Volkswagen will equip 16 plants to produce electric vehicles by the end of 2022. (MICHAEL SOHN / THE ASSOCIATED PRESS FILE PHOTO)
By CHRISTOPH RAUWALDBloomberg
CHRIS REITER
Tues., March 13, 2018
Volkswagen AG secured 20 billion euros ($25 billion U.S.) in battery supplies to underpin an aggressive push into electric cars in the coming years, putting pressure on Tesla Inc. as it struggles with production issues for the mainstream Model 3.
The world’s largest carmaker will equip 16 factories to produce electric vehicles by the end of 2022, compared with three currently, Volkswagen said Tuesday in Berlin.
The German manufacturer’s plans to build as many as 3 million of the cars a year by 2025 is backstopped by deals with suppliers including Samsung SDI Co., LG Chem Ltd. and Contemporary Amperex Technology Ltd. for batteries in Europe and China.
With the powerpack deliveries secured for its two biggest markets, a deal for North America will follow shortly, Volkswagen said. In total, the Wolfsburg-based automaker has said it plans to purchase about 50 billion euros in batteries as part of its electric-car push, which includes three new models in 2018 with dozens more following.
Volkswagen’s battery plans compare to Tesla’s $17.5 billion worth of purchase obligations, primarily related to buying lithium-ion cells from Panasonic, according to a recent filing. Volkswagen called its battery tender one of the biggest purchasing initiatives in the auto industry.
As of next year, the 12-brand group will roll out a new battery-powered model “virtually every month,” Chief Executive Officer Matthias Mueller said at the company’s annual press conference. “This is how we intend to offer the largest fleet of electric vehicles in the world.”