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HMFS! Plates for High-Risk Bikes in Quebec are expensive!

I agree; so why did you say this when I said I pay less then many Harley owners? Maybe those grandpas don't heal so well?
fwiw, I don't know if you've been living under a rock, but I see plenty of the loud pipe crowd leaving black lines out the local tims parking lot too.

I think we deed to distinguish between Quebec and Ontario here. In Quebec government motorcycle injury insurance used to be static, or one rate for all. In recent years they began grading it according to which bike you ride, simply because there are some riders (sport bikers) who are overrepresented. Private insurers in Ontario have always pretended to base their rates on risk. In reality I believe they base their rates on what will yield the most money.

Don't try to tell me sport bikers haven't always been a problem. The Qc government wouldn't be taking the route they are if they weren't. To be fair though, even if they outlawed sport bikes we would still see the same thrill seekers going to other bikes and killing themselves. There's a genetic component at work there, quite frankly they aren't above jumping on a Sportster and killing themselves too. They can just do it faster on a Ninja.
 
Don't try to tell me sport bikers haven't always been a problem.

Never did, not once. Again you're getting caught up in your bias.... and again turning this into us vs them BS which I have no interest in. You make comments about SS riders like cruiser riders don't fall off and get hurt on the regular; all I'm saying is you can't confine problem behavior to ONE class of bike. Speaking of bikes, Ima go ride :D
 
Never did, not once. Again you're getting caught up in your bias.... and again turning this into us vs them BS which I have no interest in. You make comments about SS riders like cruiser riders don't fall off and get hurt on the regular; all I'm saying is you can't confine problem behavior to ONE class of bike. Speaking of bikes, Ima go ride :D

I'm certainly not trying to say sport bike riders are the only offenders. They are however the most prominent in the current world. Anyway yeah, I gotta do a valve and cam chain adjustment on my Honda. Will be riding later.
 
I'm certainly not trying to say sport bike riders are the only offenders. They are however the most prominent in the current world. Anyway yeah, I gotta do a valve and cam chain adjustment on my Honda. Will be riding later.

In the world of prominence the protuberance should be pointed at stunters. While the sport bike rider is riding a race replica he suffers only the slight of poserness if not in a replica race but a stunter who's not chased by a pickup truck is a fraud. I know a guy who knows a guy who flung hisself off a skyway in the pursuit of reality. Who wants to insure that?
 
all I'm saying is you can't confine problem behavior to ONE class of bike.

https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle-registration/registering-vehicle/motorcycle/high-risk-motorcycles/
Characteristics of a high-risk motorcycle

A motorcycle

is considered a high-risk motorcycle if it is designed for performance and recognized as such by manufacturers and specialists (journalists, authors, etc.).

They have the following visual and technical characteristics:

  • streamlined fairing to improve aerodynamics, covering the sides of the engine, with a low windshield
  • a crouched-forward driving position
  • low, short handlebars
  • foot pegs placed higher up and farther back
  • muffler placed at the rear and angled upward
  • 2 disc brakes in front and 1 disc brake in the back
  • chain-driven rear wheel
  • power to weight ratio of over 0.5 hp/kg
  • no centre stand
  • oversize frame

https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/documents/publications/MRE-en.pdf
 
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Once again Yodude, you've missed the point (even when quoting it)
 
I agree; so why did you say this when I said I pay less then many Harley owners? Maybe those grandpas don't heal so well?
fwiw, I don't know if you've been living under a rock, but I see plenty of the loud pipe crowd leaving black lines out the local tims parking lot too.

loud pipe crowd??

from dude who spouts
Again you're getting caught up in your bias....

all I'm saying is you can't confine problem behavior to ONE class of bike


better yet of course lol

and again turning this into us vs them BS which I have no interest in.

i must be dreaming, in just a few recent threads, where you go on & on with someone else, most who seem fed up

are you caught up in 'i am almighty' stuff?? all that really maters is what you say?!

i like this french stuff & hope to see more, the sooner the better,

as i understand, this is your position
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all I'm saying is you can't confine problem behavior to ONE class of bike.

btw, you gonna whine/complain again? about this post? to remove it?

finally, not much tops this
.Your last paragraph shows your usual contempt; moreover, the argument is fundamentally flawed.
 
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Master of removing all context I see... nothing I've posted in these other threads you speak of has warranted a warning; take what you will from that.

Once again, I have not reported anything you've posted, not once... sorry to disappoint.
 
I'm certainly not trying to say sport bike riders are the only offenders. They are however the most prominent in the current world. Anyway yeah, I gotta do a valve and cam chain adjustment on my Honda. Will be riding later.

Shoulda bought the RC51; gear driven cams ;)
 
In the world of prominence the protuberance should be pointed at stunters. While the sport bike rider is riding a race replica he suffers only the slight of poserness if not in a replica race but a stunter who's not chased by a pickup truck is a fraud. I know a guy who knows a guy who flung hisself off a skyway in the pursuit of reality. Who wants to insure that?

I was talking about those who are prominent in the current world. Those you speak of are only prominent in the afterworld. You must pay better attention to the Shakespearean nuances here or you'll get mixed up.
 
i like this french stuff & hope to see more, the sooner the better

on a more serious note

i bet alota folks (public,cops,ins) are fed up with whith not only what they see or deal with routinely, the perps even boast about their stuff, not only here but even provide easy links or sites,

so, no escape from action - reaction

actions also have consequences, so ins do their thing, along with cops, who are even active on this site

the more the public sees stuff, the more likely they will call 911,

nothing new about this,

anyone that was around in the 70s knows about ins & the end of muscle cars, tho gas also got ugly

don't want attention, then don't go there
 
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The fuel crisis and the creation of the EPA killed the Muscle Car more than the insurance industry.... atleast temporarily. See any of the big three's top dog offerings today; the muscle car is alive and well
 
The fuel crisis and the creation of the EPA killed the Muscle Car more than the insurance industry.... atleast temporarily. See any of the big three's top dog offerings today; the muscle car is alive and well

X2. Lots and lots of high performance cars on the roads now and they're not particularly expensive to insure if you have a good record, either. My currently daily driver makes more than 1HP per cubic inch and actually costs me less than my last econonobox did to insure because it's comparatively a tank and accident survivability is one of the bigger parts of how insurance companies underwrite risk. Not surprisingly this is why motorcycles in general, particularly high performance ones are expensive to insure on the street.

And yeah, one only need to look at the Camaro, Challenger Hellcat, and Mustang to realize that the muscle car is still very much alive.
 
X2. Lots and lots of high performance cars on the roads now and they're not particularly expensive to insure if you have a good record, either. My currently daily driver makes more than 1HP per cubic inch and actually costs me less than my last econonobox did to insure because it's comparatively a tank and accident survivability is one of the bigger parts of how insurance companies underwrite risk. Not surprisingly this is why motorcycles in general, particularly high performance ones are expensive to insure on the street.

And yeah, one only need to look at the Camaro, Challenger Hellcat, and Mustang to realize that the muscle car is still very much alive.
Power is everywhere these days. It's not just cars obviously, look at truck offerings. The Raptor is a prime example. Muscle cars are definitely alive and well, I just don't have one anymore. Unless a mazda3 2.0l 150hp (if I'm lucky) counts?

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I'm certainly not trying to say sport bike riders are the only offenders. They are however the most prominent in the current world. Anyway yeah, I gotta do a valve and cam chain adjustment on my Honda. Will be riding later.

No they're not dude...better a sober guy going 200km/h than a useless cruiser ********* who can barely ride sober but has had 5 beers and then hopped on his pile of dog excrement of a bike anyway.




Pickup truck weenies will "chase" you just for passing them, you don't have to be stunting...I've never popped a wheelie on a public road, anywhere, ever...been chased by pickups several times when I didn't care that they were trying to block me and just went passed them anyway.


Having a tiny dick makes people mad...most of those people drive pickup trucks, it's just how we do things here in NA
 
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Never trust the OPP stats. They just are not true. For better numbers try the Ontario Road Safety Annual Report, or the report from the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia. In that, per 10,000 registrations young riders - particularly young sport bike riders are way overrepresented in the fatalities. In the last 10 years there has been a rise in the number of older riders getting killed, mostly retiring boomers who are able to afford expensive Harleys and do a lot of riding, but the young risk takers are still dropping dead fastest.


So instead of the police report, we should use the report from insurance companies - that have something DIRECTLY to gain by misrepresenting sport bike fatalities ? so they can charge them more?

I hope you can see why this is a nonsense thing to suggest.
 
So instead of the police report, we should use the report from insurance companies - that have something DIRECTLY to gain by misrepresenting sport bike fatalities ? so they can charge them more?

it seems like they can do whatever they want & always cry poor,

muscle cars stood out back in the day & got special attention, sure they are back, nevertheless, they ain't the main focus any more, way easier bigger fish out there nowadays looking for attention

folks who stand out get the attention they are asking for, good, bad or ugly

i ended up with a blacked out undercover something cop right behind me this am ~ 05:00 when i first noticed, no idea from where, not much going on at that time even to look for,

they ended up turning right a few seconds later at the lights,

didn't mater to me tho, i mostly putt about these days,

even saw a straight pipe something at one point starting out going the other way, didn't make much noise either with low RPMs & very mild acceleration

i ran straight pipes for ~ 5 years & got pulled over once, ended up in a no outs deal slowing down for lights, cop to my right at a stop then turned in right behind me
 
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So instead of the police report, we should use the report from insurance companies - that have something DIRECTLY to gain by misrepresenting sport bike fatalities ? so they can charge them more?

I hope you can see why this is a nonsense thing to suggest.

The Road Safety Annual Report is compiled by government statisticians, not the insurance companies. The Insurance Corporation of British Columbia is a government run insurance company. I don't think anyone has anything to gain by pretending one type of motorcycle is more deadly than another if it is not. The OPP just want more laws to get ticket revenue, which they get a percentage of.
 

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