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None of said texts (however severely taken out of context) are in any way similar to what the Quran teaches about how to treat unbelievers.........

I beg to differ: "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

"A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)"

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT) "

If we had a cultural movement in the masses of people taking the last quote literally, you could easily translate what would be the outcome of the future as what is going on right now with Muslims.

Also: ever hear of the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition? Come on... This can and has happened before to "nonbelievers" just not in our timeframe. Now the tables have turned.
 
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Shouldn't matter what you are the Muslim religion is barbaric by doctrine.

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My comment wasn't opposing his opinion, just observing his general stance on different matters

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If we had a cultural movement in the masses of people taking the last quote literally, you could easily translate what would be the outcome of the future as what is going on right now with Muslims.

Also: ever hear of the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition? Come on... This can and has happened before to "nonbelievers" just not in our timeframe. Now the tables have turned. [/COLOR][/FONT]

But the Muslims are taking it literally.

May 31, 2014
By Mike Konrad


When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.

The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none.

The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site.

Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians.

According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site

80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass.

Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam.



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... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue


Add just those two numbers alone together, and Islam has surpassed the victims of 20th-century totalitarianism. However, it does not end there. Add the millions who died at the hand of Muslims in the Sudan in our lifetime.

Much of Islamic slavery was sexual in nature, with a preference for women. Those men who were captured were castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often killed, which explains why Islam was not demographically shifted towards the black race, unlike slaves in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class. Add in those dead children; and we arrive at well over 200 million.

Remember that in the 7th century, North Africa was almost totally Christian. What happened to them?



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By the year 750, a hundred years after the conquest of Jerusalem, at least 50 percent of the world's Christians found themselves under Muslim hegemony… Today there is no indigenous Christianity in the region [of Northwest Africa], no communities of Christians whose history can be traced to antiquity.-- "Christianity Face to Face with Islam," CERC


What happened to those Christian millions? Some converted. The rest? Lost to history.

We know that over 1 million Europeans were enslaved by Barbary Pirates. How many died is anybody's guess.



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...for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000 - BBC


In the Middle Ages…



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…many slaves were passed through Armenia and were castrated there to fill the Muslim demand for eunuchs. -- Slavery in Early Medieval Europe.


The same practice ran through Islamic Spain. North Europeans captured from raids up to Iceland, or purchased, were butchered in the castratoriums of Iberia. Many died from the operations that ran for centuries.

The number of dead from the Muslim conquest of the Balkans and Southern Italy is unknown, but again the numbers add up, surely into the millions over the centuries. Don't forget the 1.5 million Armenian Christians killed by the Turks during WWI. We do know that over five centuries, vast numbers of Christian boys were kidnapped to become Islamic Janissary mercenaries for the Turks. Add those in, too.

Muslims prized blonde women for their harems; and so enslaved Slavic women were purchased in the bazaars of the Crimean Caliphate. In Muslim Spain, an annual tribute of 100 Visigothic [blonde] women was required from Spain's Cantabrian coast.



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For decades, 100 virgins per year were required by the Muslim rulers of Spain from the conquered population. The tribute was only stopped when the Spaniards began fighting back -- Jihad: Islam's 1,300 Year War Against Western Civilisation


Add in the death toll from the Reconquista and the numbers climb higher.

Research has shown that the Dark Ages were not caused by the Goths, who eventually assimilated and Christianized:



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…the real destroyers of classical civilization were the Muslims. It was the Arab Invasions... which broke the unity of the Mediterranean world and turned the Middle Sea -- previously one of the world’s most important trading highways -- into a battleground. It was only after the appearance of Islam... that the cities of the West, which depended upon the Mediterranean trade for their survival, began to die. -- Islam Caused the Dark Ages


Add in those unknown millions who died as a consequence.

How many know the horrors of the conquest of Malaysia? The Buddhists of Thailand and Malaysia were slaughtered en masse.



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When attacked and massacred by the Muslims, the Buddhists initially did not make any attempt to escape from their murderers. They accepted death with an air of fatalism and destiny. And hence they are not around today to tell their story. – History of Jihad.org


We may never know the numbers of dead.



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After Muslims came to power in the early 15th century, animist hill peoples eventually disappeared due to their enslavement and ‘incorporation’ into the Muslim population of Malaya, Sumatra, Borneo, and Java via raids, tribute and purchase, especially of children. Java was the largest exporter of slaves around 1500. -- Islam Monitor


In the same manner, Islam arrived in the Philippines. Only the appearance of the Spanish stopped a total collapse, and confined Islam to the southern islands.



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The coming of the Spanish saved the Philippines from Islam, except for the Southern tip where the population had been converted to Islam.-- History of Jihad.org


Again, the number of dead is unknown; but add them to the total.

The animist Filipinos were eager to ally with the Spanish against Islam. In fact, much of Southeast Asia welcomed the Spanish and Portuguese as preferable to Islam.



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...from the 17th century successive Thai kings allied themselves with the seafaring Western powers – the Portuguese and the Dutch and succeeded in staving off the threat of Islam from the Muslim Malays and their Arab overlords.-- History of Jihad.org


A few galleons and muskets were not enough to conquer Asia. Islam had made the Europeans initially appear as liberators; and to a certain extent they were. Who were the real imperialists?

Even today...



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...Malaysian Jihadis are plotting to transform multi-ethnic Malaysia into an Islamic Caliphate, and fomenting trouble in Southern Thailand.-- History of Jihad.org


Add this all up. The African victims. The Indian victims. The European victims. Add in the Armenian genocide. Then add in the lesser known, but no doubt quite large number of victims of Eastern Asia. Add in the jihad committed by Muslims against China, which was invaded in 651 AD. Add in the Crimean Khanate predations on the Slavs, especially their women.

Though the numbers are not clear, what is obvious is that Islam is the greatest murder machine in history bar none, possibly exceeding 250 million dead. Possibly one-third to one-half or more of all those killed by war or slavery in history can be traced to Islam; and this is just a cursory examination.

Now consider the over 125 Million women today who have been genitally mutilated for Islamic honor's sake. In spite of what apologists tell you, the practice is almost totally confined to Islamic areas.



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New information from Iraqi Kurdistan raises the possibility that the problem is more prevalent in the Middle East than previously believed and that FGM is far more tied to religion than many Western academics and activists admit. – “Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly


Once thought concentrated in Africa, FGM has now been discovered to be common wherever Islam is found.



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There are indications that FGM might be a phenomenon of epidemic proportions in the Arab Middle East. Hosken, for instance, notes that traditionally all women in the Persian Gulf region were mutilated. Arab governments refuse to address the problem. -- "Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?" ME Quarterly


Remember that this has gone on for 1400 years; and was imposed on a population that had been formerly Christian or pagan.

FGM is practiced on large scale in Islamic Indonesia; and is increasing.



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...far from scaling down, the problem of FGM in Indonesia has escalated sharply. The mass ceremonies in Bandung have grown bigger and more popular every year. -- Guardian


The horrified British author of that Guardian article is still deluded that Islam does not support FGM, when in fact it is now settled that FGM is a core Islamic practice. Islamic women have been brainwashed to support their own abuse.



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Abu Sahlieh further cited Muhammad as saying, "Circumcision is a sunna (tradition) for the men and makruma (honorable deed) for the women." -- “Is Female Genital Mutilation an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly


What other tyranny does this? Not even the Nazis mutilated their own women!

Unlike the 20th-century totalitarians whose killing fury consumed themselves, reducing their longevity, Islam paces itself. In the end, though slower, Islam has killed and tortured far more than any other creed, religious or secular. Unlike secular tyranny, Islam, by virtue of its polygamy and sexual predations, reproduces itself and increases.

Other tyrannies are furious infections, which burn hot, but are soon overcome. Islam is a slow terminal cancer, which metastasizes, and takes over. It never retreats. Its methods are more insidious, often imperceptible at first, driven by demographics. Like cancer, excision may be the only cure.

So whenever you read about this or that Israeli outrage -- and there may be truth to the complaint -- place the news in context. Look whom the Israelis are fighting against. Islam is like nothing else in history.



Mike Konrad is the pen name of an American who is not Jewish, Latin, or Arab. He runs a website, http://latinarabia.com, where he discusses the subculture of Arabs in Latin America. He wishes his Spanish were better.



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But the Muslims are taking it literally.
And so did we 800-1000 years ago.

And some could argue still today. Ie: Palestine & Gaza, homophobic laws based on religion in the states, Westboro Baptist Church etc.
 
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They all should be bombed back to the stone age.
 
And so did we 800-1000 years ago.

Are you saying that Christians, and/or other religions, have the same bloodbaths in their historical wake as Islam? If so, you'd be wrong. Have a read at post 23.

And some could argue still today. Ie: Palestine & Gaza,

Um, nope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8EDW88CBo-8

homophobic laws based on religion in the states, Westboro Baptist Church etc.

I hardly see WBC's beheading those that don't agree with them.....
 
Are you saying that Christians, and/or other religions, have the same bloodbaths in their historical wake as Islam? If so, you'd be wrong. Have a read at post 23.



Um, nope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8EDW88CBo-8



I hardly see WBC's beheading those that don't agree with them.....
I'm exactly saying that, yes. Take a history course. A lot of damage was done with swords imagine if they had the technology we had now this world would be very different.

So you watch a couple minute video on the Gaza crisis and you're an expert? Read up on the news once in a while and you'll see there is a lot of religious motivation involved.

I don't see them beheading people, but I'd argue they would if they could. Why would a family of lawyers behead people? Doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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Pretty sure it's not "all Muslims", since ISIS are beheading plenty of other Muslims too that don't agree with them and the Taliban really didn't seem to care if they were also slaughtering other Muslims.

There's extremists on every side of every religion. Christian anti abortionists that are quite happy to bomb other people, militant Zionist Jews happy to bomb Palestinian civilians out of their own land. Only problem is that it's the extremists that get the headlines.
 
Wow...
Lots of mud being slung in every direction.
Plain and simple, nothing on earth has causing more suffering and un-natural death than religion.
There is simply no point in posting quotes from any religious books. Pretty much every one has writings that are questionable or barbaric by modern western standards.

It'll never happen, but people simply need to realize that they're not entitled to anything despite what any ancients books might say. If you read the Bible or the Q'Ran (Sp? forgive me if incorrect) as a novel, without subscribing to a religion, they're actually pretty neat, with many parallels between them.

Simply put, if religion was abolished or somehow miraculously wiped from everyone's psyche, the world would be a much better place.
 
^ please. We are violent, tribal and greedy creatures. Religion is a convenient reason to do what we do. Profit and greed might just be worse than religion.
 
Pretty sure it's not "all Muslims", since ISIS are beheading plenty of other Muslims too that don't agree with them and the Taliban really didn't seem to care if they were also slaughtering other Muslims.

There's extremists on every side of every religion. Christian anti abortionists that are quite happy to bomb other people, militant Zionist Jews happy to bomb Palestinian civilians out of their own land. Only problem is that it's the extremists that get the headlines.

Brigitte smackdown......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
 
So after we take care of this lot, who's next?

I think what concerns me is, we get this nice tidy mission for 6 months of air strikes and we are gonna protect our soldiers because there is no ground support.

Ok. But who is kidding who?

What is long term plan? These folks are just gonna to come back in another form with a new name.

I just feel we have a rebranding for the same problem and only temporary solutions.

And it's our tax dollars and soldiers lives that are lost.

What's the up side again?
 
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IMO there are only two options.

First one is to just keep bombing them, let the recover and bomb them again. It does not matter how fanatical you are, if you never get to poke your enemy back you will be completely demoralized. Two problems with this, they will eventually resort to human shields or they will blow up something in our cities.

Next option is empire building. Basically you need to take the area over for the better part of a century until they become "adults." If you leave too early (like the US just did in Iraq) you create a power vacuum and we repeat...

Neither is a good option.

As for the bible and history, anyone who thinks that Christianity is truly any different may want to try reading the bible and reading some history. These guys are where Christianity was about 600+ years ago (Inquisition, burning witches, etc.). The old testament is also full of genocide committed by the followers as well as the diety (and it is glorified), never mind the rules of how to deal with unbelievers and heretics.

Sure most of Christianity is different today but that were dragged here kicking and screaming after the dark ages.
 
As for the bible and history, anyone who thinks that Christianity is truly any different may want to try reading the bible and reading some history. These guys are where Christianity was about 600+ years ago (Inquisition, burning witches, etc.). The old testament is also full of genocide committed by the followers as well as the diety (and it is glorified), never mind the rules of how to deal with unbelievers and heretics.

Thank you :)
 
So apparently they killed another guy & they're going to kill another
 

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