The poll is propaganda? How is the CBC part of the poll? It is an aggregate of polls not conducted by them.That's what we're talking about. Either we use the poll as valid or not.
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The poll is propaganda? How is the CBC part of the poll? It is an aggregate of polls not conducted by them.That's what we're talking about. Either we use the poll as valid or not.
Mad Mike
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Uhhh no. Yes money is cheap and if we were investing in infrastructure that might be a sound argument.
The increase in deficit is not due to infrastructure spending -- look around, so you see new rapid transit? New highways and airports? Or do you see boondoggling projects like Metrolinx and Presto that sit and gobble funds. Add a massive expansion of gov't payroll, 30% (or 6x private sector job growth) since Libs started. Then then add funding some very substantial waste -- Gas plant $1billion, E-health $8billion, Presto, $560 million, hydro rebate $21B... those are the ones I remember.
It makes no sense, it make no sense -- their just blowin' high dough.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
As stated, there is no election today so what do polls mean when there is no pending election or campaign? Nothing.
Once an election is called -- that's different.
By the way, you can't aggregate polls unless the polls are all measuring exactly the same thing -- which in theory would yield exactly the same result and therefor be a meaningless exercise. As was the CBC article.
Type17
Well-known member
There is lots of highway work going on, you're just not aware of it; the successful stuff doesn't make the news. Highway 427 and 407 is expanding. There are also 3 LRT procurements going on at this very moment, one major bridge procurement, and Eglinton LRT (the largest infra project in Canada) is well on its way to being completed. Waterloo just got an LRT system (vehicles are late due to bombardier, but that's another issue). There are also multiple station/rail upgrades as part of MXs regional express rail plan with a massive contract for electrification expected soon. This just off the top of my head and this is just just the transit/transport side; there is at least as much going on in social infrastructure... it's not hard to google them if you really want to find out what is being built. There is an unprecedented spend on infrastructure going on right now. I'm not going to defend gas plants or e-health, they were government cock-ups but I think it's a stretch in my mind to say that there is no infra spend when the Province of Ontario is one of the largest infrastructure buyers in the world.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Low dough. Make me a list of meaningful infrastructure investments with costs -- then we can talk.
Type17
Well-known member
I'm not your personal google nor am I here to educate you. You mentioned there was no "infrastructure investment" and I named a bunch of stuff that happened in the last 2 years to show you you're talking out of your ***. This is your cue to do some more research because you're opining on things that you clearly are not informed about.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
You mentioned a few things that are low dough. They are tidbits in a budget that dwarfs anything a province has seen n Canadian history.
You made your points, how about you do the googling to back them up?
Some of the changes they're suggesting aren't an issue, but the one about asking everybody what gender they are before assuming it is complete retardation. Why rewrite social conventions all of a sudden? Men have been misidentified as women, and women as men, since forever. When that happens the person is told the correct gender, they apologize, and everyone moves on.
I'm all on board with our new understanding of the gender spectrum but why should they be coddled about gender mislabeling when men and women have never been coddled on the same subject for millions of years until now?
By making this new rule, they've turned what used to be an honest mistake into harassment! They're completely messing up the way we interact socially and prescribing how we talk to each other, blowing wide open the meaning of harassment to include the slightest insult, even unintentional ones!
FLSTC
Well-known member
And some other tidbits:
Hope the public sector unions are happy with 0 spent to fix the payroll system
I bet this is the new long gun registry. Whoops, it's not a long gun registry, rather its a system to enforce authorizations to transfer long guns (with a side benefit of recording who now owns what gun)
Shame!
"White man speak with forked tongue"
Hope the public sector unions are happy with 0 spent to fix the payroll system
I bet this is the new long gun registry. Whoops, it's not a long gun registry, rather its a system to enforce authorizations to transfer long guns (with a side benefit of recording who now owns what gun)
Shame!
"White man speak with forked tongue"
Type17
Well-known member
And some other tidbits:
Hope the public sector unions are happy with 0 spent to fix the payroll system
I bet this is the new long gun registry. Whoops, it's not a long gun registry, rather its a system to enforce authorizations to transfer long guns (with a side benefit of recording who now owns what gun)
Shame!
"White man speak with forked tongue"
Well, among other things, we've been talking about the Province, not the Federal Government; they're different entities. Also, that isn't a balance sheet. I'm not sure what you're looking at.
And yes, money is cheap. There isn't a rating agency or credit committee anywhere in the world that wouldn't consider the Canadian Gov't an ultra low-risk borrower. I'm not sure what more I can offer you. It seems you're against all debt, which is fine, we'll agree to disagree.
Type17
Well-known member
Eglinton LRT is literally the single largest infrastructure project in Canada... how is that "low dough"? As for backing things up, it has been you asserting that we're in too much debt, wasting too much cash, and not investing in infrastructure. The burden of proof is on you.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
I think you read this wrong, The deficit is $19.4B, that's the amount you add to the previous year's debt. The Fed debt is currently $650b, interest on that is $24.4B or about 3.75%.
Each 17B that the feds add to the debt (as forecest for each of the next few years) adds $1b to the annual debt service cost. $1B is a lot of money.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
I don't thinks its fair to say the peanut gallery is short on financial sense -- most of us can balance our budgets.
You say were in a 'infrastructure spend' period? I don't see many announcements on those fronts. Free drugs, free dental, free daycare, 25% off hydro, Basic income Welfare... Belly up! All the drinks are on the Crown! .....need I go on?
Type17
Well-known member
But statistically speaking you probably have a mortgage, a car loan, a line of credit, and several credit cards as well. Presumably you didn't buy your house with cash...
If it's announcements you were missing, here ya go pal:
https://www.ontario.ca/page/building-ontario
http://infrastructureontario.ca/News/
I wish you luck, friend. We're obviously not changing each other's minds.
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J_F
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border-creep on MAGA simplicity of thought
Type17
Well-known member
And willful ignorance.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
My house and car are investments - buying a house 25 years ago saves me money today, and I need my car for work -- also makes money. I have credit cards, I've never spent next years salary today -- especially on wants not needs.
Finally, I can't double my debt load every 10 years.
On your infrastructure spend... yes of course there is spending. We're spending about 9% of revenue on Infrastructure -- remember that's a glom of new and maintain, not an infrastructure spending spree. By the way, when I say glom, Liberals roll up deferred maintenance and repairs, cost of rehabbing neglected infrastructure into their 'Infrastructure' numbers. Those are funds stolen from prior years to expand social spending... but that an argument for another day.
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