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Tory takes aim at noisy motorcycles

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Hyperion said:
Thought this was humorous
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Haha, they need to do the same thing with those signs that they do with radar signs. Once you exceed a reasonable level, they should stop displaying a number. The sign shop also needs some more googling before printing their signs. There should be no accent on decibels and it ideally shouldn't say dB beside the number (dBA would be more correct and still understood by the masses).

85 dBA at that post is way louder than any vehicle needs to be. Unless you are trying to be a prick you should have no problems passing.
 
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anybody remember the speed sign at 427 exit onto 401 west? Used to light up "TO FAST" and flash, everybody liked to light up the sign......
 
crankcall said:
anybody remember the speed sign at 427 exit onto 401 west? Used to light up "TO FAST" and flash, everybody liked to light up the sign......
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Dvp northbound to 401 eastbound had the same sign years ago.
 
crankcall said:
anybody remember the speed sign at 427 exit onto 401 west? Used to light up "TO FAST" and flash, everybody liked to light up the sign......
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I completely forgot about that
 
Jayv said:
Dvp northbound to 401 eastbound had the same sign years ago.
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I was just going to mention that.

There is a definite speed problem in the city, why doesn't Tory go after this segment?? It would help everyone, and put cash back into the city.
 
sburns said:
I was just going to mention that.

There is a definite speed problem in the city, why doesn't Tory go after this segment?? It would help everyone, and put cash back into the city.
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Because votes. Going after speeders will probably cost you about as many votes as it will get you. It is hard to find many people that want obnoxiously loud vehicles.
 
hedo2002 said:
Used to be in NB, you had a Bi annual vehicle inspection, it required a little sticker affixed to front windshield. Every time, I stopped a vehicle, first thing I looked at was expired inspection decals. This would capture most of these issues if it was applied to ALL vehicles including bikes.
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Thats what we used to have downunder in NZ. It maybe changed to yearly now, rather than 6 monthly. It was called a "WOF" - Warrany of Fitness . It declared the vehicle was safe and fit for the roads. Kept a lot of the junk off the roads.
 
hedo2002 said:
Used to be in NB, you had a Bi annual vehicle inspection, it required a little sticker affixed to front windshield. Every time, I stopped a vehicle, first thing I looked at was expired inspection decals. This would capture most of these issues if it was applied to ALL vehicles including bikes.
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... I'd make a bad cop, first thing I would look for are the unsafe vehicles
 
sburns said:
I was just going to mention that.

There is a definite speed problem in the city, why doesn't Tory go after this segment?? It would help everyone, and put cash back into the city.
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I find the opposite, majority of the GTA drivers drive way too slow. Never seen a big City have so many slow drivers. I actually look forward going back to the UK just to enjoy traffic and drivers that actually know where the accelerator pedal is.
 
All this drive clean / annual inspection talk doesn't work well. One can bolt on and off exhaust related stuff without much effort, and in a few minutes in some cases (like my setup). And a number of enthusiasts will happily spend the time to pass an inspection test but go home and then go back to a loud bike.

IMO noise is definitely an issue (I live next to a simple two lane [total] neighbourhood connecting road and that is already obnoxious with depressing regularity. There are a number of extremely flagrant operators out there (all vehicles). Get them off the road. Neither am I into a nanny state of only supreme quiet. J2825 noise testing is a pretty reasonable middle ground in my experience. I've had my bike tested; it's loud (quite loud) but it still passes. It's not obnoxiously loud.
 
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Looks like Tory is getting re-elected. He's at like, 60% and there's nobody serious running against him. At least, nobody who is getting any press.
 
my Stock cbr 600 RR exhaust produces 87 dBs...
 
sid_for_speed said:
my Stock cbr 600 RR exhaust produces 87 dBs...
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That depends on how you measure it. And that is the whole problem with roadside enforcement.

There is no number associated with a sound level - any sound level - that is not inextricably linked to how the measurement was made. SAE J2825 prescribes the means by which the measurement is to be made. The sound levels that the original exhaust system produced, which the vehicle's original manufacturer had to comply with, have a complex set of test procedures associated with them to establish compliance.

A microphone by the roadside is not going to be a repeatable means of identifying how much sound a specific vehicle produces.
 
To be fair, they're not targeting motorcycles. This was probably brought on by the newish fad of straight piping exotics, which is a growing trend in automotive social media. Trust me, a straight piped Huracan or R8 is miles louder than any bike that's ever been built. I happen to know that the Ace Spade rally recently went through T.O., and I know for a fact there was atleast one straight piped and supercharged Huracan in the pack.

This would be a car that is way louder than any bike could ever be
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JTR said:
To be fair, they're not targeting motorcycles. This was probably brought on by the newish fad of straight piping exotics, which is a growing trend in automotive social media. Trust me, a straight piped Huracan or R8 is miles louder than any bike that's ever been built. I happen to know that the Ace Spade rally recently went through T.O., and I know for a fact there was atleast one straight piped and supercharged Huracan in the pack.

This would be a car that is way louder than any bike could ever be
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Exotics are not the problem, there are fewer of them and most owners do not modify them as voiding the warranty on these expensive cars ain't worth it.
Go to LA and there is far more supercars/car scene overall/motorcycle scene/modifying culture compared to Toronto by a large amount and year round at that, but no one cares as much out there...
This is just more nanny state.
 
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Saw a video on facebook (can't figure out how to link to it, it is from CityNews Edmonton) that they had to shut off one of the noise monitors because of complaints from nearby residents that drivers were using the sign to see how loud they could get it to display. In the report, someone on a motorcycle in a nearby parking lot is bouncing their engine off the rev limiter.

That shows why this approach is (or should be) unenforceable. The noise meter on its own can't pick out and quantify individual noise sources.

In no way am I in favor of drivers/riders making obnoxious amounts of noise. All I'm saying is that this enforcement approach won't work properly.

And yes, I remember those flashing signs "too fast" on a couple of ramps, and yes, I would always try to turn those on ...
 
kwtoxman said:
What do you mean by "this approach?" I've seen more than a few approaches posted. Some have merit, others much much less so.
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I think he is talking about a sound level meter installed near a road. For something like a motorcycle, you could double the distance to the microphone while still being in the same lane. There are just wah too many uncontrolled variables with those systems to provide confidence that the data collected is applicable to a particular vehicle and that vehicle deserves a ticket.
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