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Looks bone simple enough; valves, sensors, strainers, check valves, pump, motor, orifices, more valves, solenoids, springs ....
Na, I think you're good, nothing could ever go wrong with any of that stuff :rolleyes:
 
Trials said:
So you guys figure it will be as cheap and easy to flush and replace the brake fluid on an ABS system as it is on my bikes?
... and all of those electronic sensors and valves are going to live for a life time?
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This conversation topic is going way off the rails.
 
of course it's more complex. So is hydraulic brakes compared to drum brakes. I don't see ABS as a bad thing....but I haven't owned a bike with ABS yet. Have had it on my cars for a long time and haven't had issues....so far.
 
PLau said:
As others have pointed out, it seems like the ABS is completely screwed on your wife's bike.

Perhaps test ride a bike equipped with ABS and compare the difference.

Comparing how often ABS activates for you to another rider should tell you something... "ABS kicks in at almost every stop" vs "ABS has only activated unintentionally twice in four years". If I were to count the times that I intentionally activated my ABS in the last four years (in parking lots to get a feel of what it feels like), I'd say that it's only activated less than 15 times.
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I don't understand why you guys keep telling me her ABS is screwed?????

It isn't.

ABS is screwed.

I have enough experience to know if ABS is screwed.


Give it a rest.
 
Riceburner said:
of course it's more complex. So is hydraulic brakes compared to drum brakes. I don't see ABS as a bad thing....but I haven't owned a bike with ABS yet. Have had it on my cars for a long time and haven't had issues....so far.
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Personally I find disc brakes easier to work on then drum brakes, cable or hydraulically operated. Plus it's not just more complex, ABS brake systems have all of the same parts that a regular brake system but with a great deal more goodies to go wrong in the form of electronics, valves and pump. They are a pain to bleed and with the technology being eclipsed so quickly an older system becomes very expensive to source replacement parts for them.
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How long is it again that Japanese manufacturers retain a supply of replacement parts, seven years? You might want to stock up on unique replacement ABS items before that if you like to keep your bikes as long as I do.

Not saying ABS system is a bad thing! but its complexity definitely makes it more expensive to purchase, service and to maintain for the life of the motorcycle. What are you going to do when the red ABS warning light comes on, service it yourself or take it to a dealer? There is your down-side. ... & if you don't believe they go wrong just google "motorcycle ABS failure"

Indeed this thread is getting side tracked and apologies to the OP for that, however as I recall he was having to make a decision between the purchase of an non-ABS equipped motorcycle or an ABS version, so possibly the information will not be completely useless.
:D and I still like the white one.
 
You know what works a heck of a lot better then ABS,
not hesitating, covering your brake control and leaving enough room to slow down or stop!
 
Low rider said:
I don't understand why you guys keep telling me her ABS is screwed?????

It isn't.

ABS is screwed.

I have enough experience to know if ABS is screwed.


Give it a rest.
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oh boy. did you ever imagine this has absolutely nothing to do with experience.
 
Trials said:
You know what works a heck of a lot better then ABS,
not hesitating, covering your brake control and leaving enough room to slow down or stop!
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amen.
 
The example that was given where guy broke hard and got stopped yet his wife with abs couldn't get stopped can simply come down to reaction time...no abs can make up for missing the time to start stopping.
 
boyoboy said:
then you have not bothered to read the earlier posts? Now you have heard. lol, just saying.
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Fair enough! I'm guilty of selective reading at times.
 
Low rider said:
I don't understand why you guys keep telling me her ABS is screwed?????

It isn't.

ABS is screwed.

I have enough experience to know if ABS is screwed.


Give it a rest.
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Once again, YOU experienced that the ABS on her bike was activating at almost every stop. Do you think that is normal? Have you ever ridden another ABS equipped bike and experienced the same thing?
If you have as much experience as you say you do to know if the ABS is screwed or not, you should know it should not be activating at almost every stop...

If you were able to brake to a stop, and your wife flew through an intersection under hard braking (15-20m?), how can it not occur to you that something is wrong specifically with her bike's braking system? Nobody, including myself has experienced, or mentioned anything close to what you're describing having a ABS (working normally) and you're still in denial that something is wrong? Either your wife didn't react to stop, or something is wrong with her bike...

I'm not saying ABS doesn't have it's problems, and it's pretty obvious that the bike you're dealing with has issues especially if it causes you to fly through an intersection.

Low rider said:
In that emergency, ABS would save your bacon.

I think it comes down to riders skill level.

I agree, there are a few situations where ABS is a great thing.

Every time I ride in the rain. I always think ABS would be a good idea.

I have been in a few situations where ABS would have been a bad thing.

I also think that the new riders on today's streets are coddled into buying a bike with ABS and never learn to actually brake effectively.
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Seems like you're a bit conflicted of whether ABS is good or bad overall.



Evoex said:
I don't know a single person or heard of anyone who needed abs repaired on a car or motorcycle.
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I've had issues on my fiancee's 2010 Toyota Matrix's ABS where it wasn't activating properly which caused the car to stop ~5 ft further than intended while ABS was activated on a dry road at a relatively low speed under light braking. That doesn't mean that ABS on all cars is screwed...
The wire connecting the wheel's sensor had corroded and was causing an on/off connection randomly (The male connector had broken off into the female connector).. Likely causing the system to think that the wheel was locked up randomly..


Trials said:
So you guys figure it will be as cheap and easy to flush and replace the brake fluid on an ABS system as it is on my bikes?
... and all of those electronic sensors and valves are going to live for a life time?
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Flushing a brake system with new brake fluid on an ABS equipped bike is the same as non-ABS...
Other components are a different story..
 
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PLau said:
I've had issues on my fiancee's 2010 Toyota Matrix's ABS where it wasn't activating properly which caused the car to stop ~5 ft further than intended while ABS was activated on a dry road at a relatively low speed under light braking. That doesn't mean that ABS on all cars is screwed...
The wire connecting the wheel's sensor had corroded and was causing an on/off connection randomly (The male connector had broken off into the female connector).. Likely causing the system to think that the wheel was locked up randomly..
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I'm not saying the system cant or wont fail, like everything else it can malfunction.

I was attempting to make a point that in my experience such failures are not common place.
 
Evoex said:
I'm not saying the system cant or wont fail, like everything else it can malfunction.

I was attempting to make a point that in my experience such failures are not common place.
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The comment you quoted was more directed at Low Rider stating that "ABS is screwed" (in general) to point out that one bad experience does not mean ALL is bad. Just quoted you as you've never heard of ABS going wrong and thought I'd throw in my ABS experience ;)
 
Evoex said:
I don't know a single person or heard of anyone who needed abs repaired on a car or motorcycle.
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I do. Usually just the sensor goes bad on a wheel. On some modern cars it can completely disable the traction and stability control and even the AWD system. That happened to a co-worker's Acura a few years back. Dash went up like a Christmas tree just because of one magnetic sensor.

My RS125 uses a speed sensor on the rear wheel just like an ABS sensor and it was damaged by improper lifting and I had to replace it as well. Of course since it doesn't actually have ABS that just meant the speedo always read zero.

What's interesting about some of the cheap systems on bikes is it's completely stand alone which means in theory it shouldn't be too hard to retrofit if you want it. I've still got an ABS computer and pump from a 650R in my desk I bought for this purpose and then just got too lazy for. If anyone wants it, it's yours.

ABS on a car is meant to let you steer and brake at the same time.

ABS on a bike is so you can ram the brakes and not fall over or wipe out.

If it stops faster, great, but that's not the goal. However on bikes, unless you're a pro, it's usually the case.

In my experience in cars sometimes it works great, other times not so much. Depends on the vehicle, tires, and conditions.

My 2001 Jettas both had great ABS. Just mash the pedal and let the car stop. On my WRX if ABS activated it was never stopping. Just had to learn to modulate myself. If I felt the ABS kick in I just had to release a little and find the sweet spot between lockup (ABS coming on) and not, just like normal brakes.

If ABS is coming on it's detecting lock up which means you're braking harder than you should. If you don't like that learn to modulate better.

If it's coming on when the wheel's not locked your vehicle is broken.
 
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Trials said:
Personally I find disc brakes easier to work on then drum brakes, cable or hydraulically operated. Plus it's not just more complex, ABS brake systems have all of the same parts that a regular brake system but with a great deal more goodies to go wrong in the form of electronics, valves and pump. They are a pain to bleed and with the technology being eclipsed so quickly an older system becomes very expensive to source replacement parts for them.
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The ABS electronics, pump, and hardware are rarely a source of trouble these days. The usual things that act up (including the situation described in post 56) are wheel speed sensors. Salt and water get in, or the sensor gets damaged by debris, etc. Usually what happens is that the electronics start getting false signals and then it starts freaking out.

The sensors are in a tough operating environment. The ABS pump generally is not.
 
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