Nothing ... except for it never works elsewhere in the world (compare apple to apple ...). But hey, Toronto, seem to always know better as far as public transit is concerned, so who knows, perhaps it will work here ...
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Road Tolls coming to Toronto
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Nothing ... except for it never works elsewhere in the world (compare apple to apple ...). But hey, Toronto, seem to always know better as far as public transit is concerned, so who knows, perhaps it will work here ...
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of course you do, you have your own special lanes :arrow:
I82l8
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I agree that public transit in the GTA is a joke.
Not quite sure why you say it's too late though.
I grew up in Brussels and still remember when opened the subway opened in 1976, they've also continued developing it with the last extensions added as recently as 2009.
...and no tolls LOL
Why is it too late? Because the GTA is not as compact as most other major cities, covering a significant amount of territory, and it now costs something like 1 billion dollars per 1km of subway. And surface transit is no better than driving yourself.
sid_for_speed
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Please God, let some politician have the bright idea to call for an election...please God 
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Yeah Brussels ... you guys get all the cream (and funding) of EU ... not a good example ...
There's no reason why they could not do it today, but you have to either dig or go up (I mean elevated not ground) .... both means massive money the city doesn't have, nor the bleeding province or feds are willing to spend (I guess others would cry foul). Yeah I know the LTR .... not sure how much that will help with anything. It could have been much easier and cheaper decades ago if they laid own the foundation and a plan (for premium public transit), but they didn't ..... so now with the sprawl and density, it's just so much more difficult. They simply don't have the balls ... so TTC for some, cars for the rest, and now tolls ... LOL ... I guess this is their plan.
I82l8
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Sorry, by bike I meant motorcycle. No special lane for us, just free parking ... for now.
Funny because when I used to live in Toronto (Front and Spadina) I used the Gardiner and DVP almost daily, sometimes many times a day. I fortunately moved but how does your logic distribute the cost fairly? Since I would have had to pay for the taxes and then the toll.
Those people that "do not contribute to TO taxes anyways" work in Toronto, eat in Toronto, buy in Toronto and maintain many of the local business in Toronto, all this possible due to access roads to TO.
Small thinking from politicians that are trying to deal with a cash shortfall right now instead of having a long term plan for the future.
Unfortunately they are supported by the same type of people that are "down" for their policies not understanding that they are cutting the people's income by a thousand cuts.
Gas went up 5 cents last night, going up again tonight, going up huge in January, electricity going up in Jan by an extra $5. But yea let's be down with another tax instead of fixing the issues with things like a company given millions to build a bridge and they installed it backwards, only to be given another contract. That is provincial but just one example of the crap they should be dealing with instead of taxing us even more.
Those people that "do not contribute to TO taxes anyways" work in Toronto, eat in Toronto, buy in Toronto and maintain many of the local business in Toronto, all this possible due to access roads to TO.
Small thinking from politicians that are trying to deal with a cash shortfall right now instead of having a long term plan for the future.
Unfortunately they are supported by the same type of people that are "down" for their policies not understanding that they are cutting the people's income by a thousand cuts.
Gas went up 5 cents last night, going up again tonight, going up huge in January, electricity going up in Jan by an extra $5. But yea let's be down with another tax instead of fixing the issues with things like a company given millions to build a bridge and they installed it backwards, only to be given another contract. That is provincial but just one example of the crap they should be dealing with instead of taxing us even more.
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Not all of them will eat or buy in Toronto. Many will leave garbage behind, and use resources. They may make the money in Toronto and then take it back home to spend. Union Station and Go trains might be a good example. Who should pay for that infrastructure?
I82l8
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Metrolinx (GO trains&busses) is a provincial crown corporation...we're all paying for it...that being said CN owns the infrastructure. The only tracks owned by Metrolinx is the Stouffville line.
Is this a trick question? The users pay via a fare
sonyminidiscman
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are they gonna use the 407 type toll or the US type, stop at booth type... If they use the latter, noone is ever gonna get thru that 404 401 intersection.
I am fine with the toll if they have a website showing what they take in and what they spend it on...
I am fine with the toll if they have a website showing what they take in and what they spend it on...
Well then they would need to allot a slice of that for pie in the sky because around here we tally the losses after the fact by another sunshine agent of the government. Don't bother revolting against that tho lest you risk being called racist. I know the connection may not seem immediately obvious in this political realm but trust me they have people on it.
Get with the gibberish my friend, "racist" is old-fashioned and passé, it's toxic white male now! We can still do our part though. The quivering obesity of the body politic needs advice on what to wear before getting consensually sweaty with another pockmarked municipal bureaucracy. No judging as the money gets regurgitated into waiting beaks of city council's many worthy initiatives. Some of them may even be earmarked for infrastructure.
So turn up that dope stereo in your plush SUV and watch the gas gauge while idling down the de-xpressway. Waiting in another long line built by swivel servants protecting us from something is part of the Canadian Experience. Keep your social licenses at the ready, however. We have clear examples of what happens to people who embarrass their betters in this equal society. #inreb2016
I am going to say that you are wrong in this ... yes total sum of money paid by non-Toronto drivers will be higher, of course, because there's more of them using it daily, but we are not talking the same people, where as a Toronto resident using the roads possible daily you will pay more, since the ride cost you the same money. It will be possibly even more expensive for the resident, since the distance traveled is shorter on average than passing through non-resident. Unless of course the city will splurge for come per-km-monitoring scheme ... which would be pretty expensive to implement.
BTW ... infrustructure costs are never distributed fairly. It does not exist ....
LOL ... when did they do that the last time, ever?
Do you know where the money from the sale of the 407 went?
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