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nobbie48

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I know a guy who is in his early 70's and is still working as he has no life outside work. To my knowledge a person can't be forced to retire at 65 so he plods on.

Where does this leave his employer who I suspect would like him replaced by a younger more with-it type?

He's been with the company since college, 45 - 50 years.
 
If hes doing his job properly, nothing they can do other than lay him off, which means he will be entitled to severance, or "force" him to retire by saying that they are giving him the choice between retirement and being laid off. They cant rehire for his job though if they do that.

If his performance is fine why would they want to get rid of him?
 
nobbie48 said:
I know a guy who is in his early 70's and is still working as he has no life outside work. To my knowledge a person can't be forced to retire at 65 so he plods on.

Where does this leave his employer who I suspect would like him replaced by a younger more with-it type?

He's been with the company since college, 45 - 50 years.
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If they cut him loose, the general rule is 2 weeks for every year served.
If he's been there 45 years, that means nearly 2 years full pay.
Maybe they're just waiting for him to die so they don't have to pay anything...
 
TK4 said:
If they cut him loose, the general rule is 2 weeks for every year served.
If he's been there 45 years, that means nearly 2 years full pay.
Maybe they're just waiting for him to die so they don't have to pay anything...
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Or notice in Lieu. Just tell him he is done in 2 years. Don't change his what he is expected to do though or you could get nailed for constructive dismissal.

His employment contract could alter the length of time to (IIRC "in accordance with the employment standards act" means 1 wk/yr). I am not sure if there is a max length of time that is supposed to be considered.

Alternatively, some of those old guys are a wealth of experience, tap that knowledge and try to get him to spend a significant portion of his time mentoring the younger employees.

I know some people that are getting up in age that will remain valuable employees until they start to come apart. Just because you are old doesn't mean you need to go.
 
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nobbie48 said:
I know a guy who is in his early 70's and is still working as he has no life outside work. To my knowledge a person can't be forced to retire at 65 so he plods on.

Where does this leave his employer who I suspect would like him replaced by a younger more with-it type?

He's been with the company since college, 45 - 50 years.
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I think we may work for the same company. I know that guy!

Seriously, should we force retirement? Bunch of skills being lost today, we've always learn(ed)(t) from elders.

You wanna retire after 30 yrs? 40? 50? Ought to be your choice
 
If they want a guy gone, they can make it happen. May cost them 2 yrs salary, but if they can replace him for a fraction of what they pay him it could amortize out in 5-7 yrs.
Or leave the guy alone and let him work.
 
If the guy performs, this company is sketchy (like many out there ...) ... however, I find it very seldom to be the case, just because we are all humans and we all want to naturally slow down as we age, in another words, work less and relax more. It's truly sad, that people have to work at that age, because "they have no life outside their work". I always shake my head at this ...

Normally, good companies settle and mutually agree with such employee to leave under certain terms. Guys is free to go with money in his pocket and company gets him off their books in several years.

When the above doesn't happen you can be sure that lawyers will be busy billing their hours and laughing ....
 
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create a new part time job for him to teach or review to make improvements
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All fine and dandy suggestions...mentoring, great idea too.
Here is the thing... A good number of older workers in industry are CRUSTY and not interested in dealing with 20 somethings daily at work. YES there is the other side that are social and would love that opportunity...and there is experience and knowledge there for sure...BUT WE DON'T KNOW THIS GUY ;)
 
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nobbie48 said:
I know a guy who is in his early 70's and is still working as he has no life outside work. To my knowledge a person can't be forced to retire at 65 so he plods on.

Where does this leave his employer who I suspect would like him replaced by a younger more with-it type?

He's been with the company since college, 45 - 50 years.
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Is he plodding on or is he a contributing team member? All things being equal I would think any employer should want a younger employee. Young is where it's at, everybody knows this. Everyday at midnite one can safely conclude that's one day closer to death. This is still a grey area of psuedo reality to those with more days ahead than behind, barring any unfortunate incidences. I would get rid of him by making his job so safe that he can't possibly perform it without breaking the very safety rules designed to protect him. Have him be in contravention of dismissable offences at all times. They're building hospitals like that all the time and when they're done you could sent this guy to the nut ward. Or death ward whichever is most fitting at the time. Time, which is in the future of course, which isn't helping his cause one iota. Win/win/win.
 
Businesses in general don't give a crap about the individuals. It's all about the bottom line...$$$$$, no matter how much they tout their people first slogans.
 
Is there any evidence at all that he's not competent in his job?

Other than 'having no life outside of work', could it be that he likes his job?
 
This is a big problem in some areas as there's a ton of young people who would have normally been fed into a system as the older guys retire. But that's not happening anymore and as such these areas suffer from lack of innovation or lose their cutting edge abilities as fresh blood often leads to new ideas. Most apparent in academia. It's a difficult balancing act of adding fresh blood and keeping older talent but there's a reasonable amount of stagnation I'm seeing.
 
If I retire after 30 yrs I will be 51. My dilemna will be what the hell am I to do then? Before you say part time job I already have one of those too.

I like working. I like where I work. I just can't fathom being retired in a few more years. I feel like I'm just getting started!
 
jc100 said:
This is a big problem in some areas as there's a ton of young people who would have normally been fed into a system as the older guys retire.
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Back a couple years ago when I was in high school I was apply for summer jobs, and Canadian Tire had a big job fair. The average age of the applicants there was around 50. You feel bad for them too, stupid enough to go their entire lives and not think about saving for retirement...
 
Or they started young, retired and are looking for a part time job to fill the hours.
 
meme said:
Or they started young, retired and are looking for a part time job to fill the hours.
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Get a hobby.

If everyone kept working to "kill some time," you'd go another 25 years without hiring a single person. Sometimes, people have to realise that there is another generation behind them.
 
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