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27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga today :(
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Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
He ended up going for a helicopter ride in the end. (Source: http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/motorcycle-rider-loses-leg-after-crash-at-toronto-motorsport-park-1.2989839) I guess it's possible whoever called it in at TMP underestimated the severity of the man's injuries - of course that is speculation.
It's great that he survived, and earlier medical intervention may not have saved either of his legs. I really do want to know more about how this happened, though. Before this I wouldn't have considered the TMP strip unsafe for bikes. Is the barrier a contributing factor? Is this an example of bad odds and the track had taken reasonable safety measures (besides not having on-site medical)? What gear did the guy have?
He ended up going for a helicopter ride in the end. (Source: http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/motorcycle-rider-loses-leg-after-crash-at-toronto-motorsport-park-1.2989839) I guess it's possible whoever called it in at TMP underestimated the severity of the man's injuries - of course that is speculation.
It's great that he survived, and earlier medical intervention may not have saved either of his legs. I really do want to know more about how this happened, though. Before this I wouldn't have considered the TMP strip unsafe for bikes. Is the barrier a contributing factor? Is this an example of bad odds and the track had taken reasonable safety measures (besides not having on-site medical)? What gear did the guy have?
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
I was there that night , I ran before him and I was the second person on the scene . I am not a medical expert or race track expert.
What I can confirm ....I was the Second person on the scene with my friend I raced ,along with the other racer who raced the victim. The track employee from the time shack was the first on the scene and he looked in a panic , on the phone calling someone . I walked up to the racer he was over the cement barrier i was 4 feet from him , He looked awake and looking around i said to him help was on the way he would be ok. What I seen was very graphic and out or respect I will not post what i seen .
I can confirm it took at least 10 mins for more track officials to arrive , they came with bottles of water I did see much medical gear.
I Ran at 8.55 PM by the time stamp on my video , so 9 pm accident sounds accurate . I stood by the side lines as I was not allowed to help and asked to stay back . EMS response was at least 30-40 mins I thought that was insane due to the seriousness of injuries I was worried for the rider.
I could not believe no EMS on site... unbelievable !
He was on a green ninja , He had gloves, boots , jacket and jeans .
From what I read he is going to recover , however have life changing alterations . I wish him the best and safe recovery .
I was there that night , I ran before him and I was the second person on the scene . I am not a medical expert or race track expert.
What I can confirm ....I was the Second person on the scene with my friend I raced ,along with the other racer who raced the victim. The track employee from the time shack was the first on the scene and he looked in a panic , on the phone calling someone . I walked up to the racer he was over the cement barrier i was 4 feet from him , He looked awake and looking around i said to him help was on the way he would be ok. What I seen was very graphic and out or respect I will not post what i seen .
I can confirm it took at least 10 mins for more track officials to arrive , they came with bottles of water I did see much medical gear.
I Ran at 8.55 PM by the time stamp on my video , so 9 pm accident sounds accurate . I stood by the side lines as I was not allowed to help and asked to stay back . EMS response was at least 30-40 mins I thought that was insane due to the seriousness of injuries I was worried for the rider.
I could not believe no EMS on site... unbelievable !
He was on a green ninja , He had gloves, boots , jacket and jeans .
From what I read he is going to recover , however have life changing alterations . I wish him the best and safe recovery .
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Thank you for sharing that information
Thank you for sharing that information
Roadghost
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Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Anyone figure out why the bike went into a speed wobble? Flat tire? Wheel alignment? I feel bad for this young fellow, but I suppose we all have to admit the element of risk is there for all of us. It's good that he's still alive.
Anyone figure out why the bike went into a speed wobble? Flat tire? Wheel alignment? I feel bad for this young fellow, but I suppose we all have to admit the element of risk is there for all of us. It's good that he's still alive.
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Chopping the throttle at speed can do it.
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Certain track day providers were called out in public a few years ago for not having EMS on site.
Certain track day providers were called out in public a few years ago for not having EMS on site.
conundrum
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Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Different situation, but I still remember being on a group ride where a 2up went down (went wide into oncoming and high-sided) on Southwood road. Rider seemed ok, but passenger was unconscious for a little while, and really out of it when they came to. I remember arguing with EMS/911 probably for a good 20-30 minutes as they kept wanting a street number, and the best I could give them was a distance and rough GPS coords (trying to get an estimate from my Garmin Nuvi) as there were no houses in site (apparently they couldn't use GPS coords for some stupid reason either). Maybe movies have spoiled me, but I would have expected they'd be able to trace the call via GPS and know where we were in seconds.
Anyhow long story short some people happened by who were trained/had first aid kits in their car and helped tend to the scene. I was still arguing with 911 when I finally heard a siren in the distance and told them the ambulance was on the scene. I think it was about 20-40 minutes in that case too before it finally showed up. Ended up rider had a concussion, and the passenger had a concussion, broken ribs, collarbone, some internal bleeding, and something else I can't remember.
To this day, that incident and response time still sticks in my mind, as prior to that I would have thought they would have been much faster. I've also seen similar response times (20-30 mins) another time when a rider went down ahead of me on the 507. I would have thought/assumed in any event EMS would HAVE to be on the scene if anyone were allowed on a track/strip/etc, but I guess I was wrong.
Different situation, but I still remember being on a group ride where a 2up went down (went wide into oncoming and high-sided) on Southwood road. Rider seemed ok, but passenger was unconscious for a little while, and really out of it when they came to. I remember arguing with EMS/911 probably for a good 20-30 minutes as they kept wanting a street number, and the best I could give them was a distance and rough GPS coords (trying to get an estimate from my Garmin Nuvi) as there were no houses in site (apparently they couldn't use GPS coords for some stupid reason either). Maybe movies have spoiled me, but I would have expected they'd be able to trace the call via GPS and know where we were in seconds.
Anyhow long story short some people happened by who were trained/had first aid kits in their car and helped tend to the scene. I was still arguing with 911 when I finally heard a siren in the distance and told them the ambulance was on the scene. I think it was about 20-40 minutes in that case too before it finally showed up. Ended up rider had a concussion, and the passenger had a concussion, broken ribs, collarbone, some internal bleeding, and something else I can't remember.
To this day, that incident and response time still sticks in my mind, as prior to that I would have thought they would have been much faster. I've also seen similar response times (20-30 mins) another time when a rider went down ahead of me on the 507. I would have thought/assumed in any event EMS would HAVE to be on the scene if anyone were allowed on a track/strip/etc, but I guess I was wrong.
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That sorta makes sense though, because you're pretty far from anything. The closest fleet is pretty small. I know that a lot of the fun places to ride in the US, you are in for a loooong wait for a ride if you need help.
That sorta makes sense though, because you're pretty far from anything. The closest fleet is pretty small. I know that a lot of the fun places to ride in the US, you are in for a loooong wait for a ride if you need help.
N3WMAN
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Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Ambulance response time seems reasonable to me. I had to wait around that long at Grand Bend for the road ambulance however the on site ambulance was there in seconds. The 911 dispatch called one ambulance that didn't show for some reason and then had to send another. These people are not magicians, it takes time to relay information, and physically drive there. Who knows if the track even called 911 right away. The blame rests solely on TMP for not having on site medical in my opinion.
I'd imagine there are protocols in place for sending an air ambulance, and I imagine it would require a trained EMS/Fire to make that call, not xyz bystander.
Ambulance response time seems reasonable to me. I had to wait around that long at Grand Bend for the road ambulance however the on site ambulance was there in seconds. The 911 dispatch called one ambulance that didn't show for some reason and then had to send another. These people are not magicians, it takes time to relay information, and physically drive there. Who knows if the track even called 911 right away. The blame rests solely on TMP for not having on site medical in my opinion.
I'd imagine there are protocols in place for sending an air ambulance, and I imagine it would require a trained EMS/Fire to make that call, not xyz bystander.
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
I was not suggesting that anyone calling 911 could have gotten ORNGE to show up. Just maybe that they thought they would be showing up to a broken leg. Anyway, going by the description of the scene above I doubt someone would fail to impress the urgency of the situation
I was not suggesting that anyone calling 911 could have gotten ORNGE to show up. Just maybe that they thought they would be showing up to a broken leg. Anyway, going by the description of the scene above I doubt someone would fail to impress the urgency of the situation
N3WMAN
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Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
I get that. I was talking to DJM's post.
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Not sure if any type of protective gear would have saved his leg/s.
GWS rider.
Not sure if any type of protective gear would have saved his leg/s.
GWS rider.
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Not that it would have made any difference in this case, as Jay mentions ... but dragstrip tech and protective gear requirements are pretty lax, and evidently they don't see fit to have EMS on site, either. You had better have a chain guard, though!
I think things change if you are faster than 9.99 in the quarter - then you need a NHRA/IHRA license.
Not that it would have made any difference in this case, as Jay mentions ... but dragstrip tech and protective gear requirements are pretty lax, and evidently they don't see fit to have EMS on site, either. You had better have a chain guard, though!
I think things change if you are faster than 9.99 in the quarter - then you need a NHRA/IHRA license.
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
seen a video the other day on facebook, guys in the states at dragstrip with jeans, running shoes and t shirts
seen a video the other day on facebook, guys in the states at dragstrip with jeans, running shoes and t shirts
conundrum
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Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
Just pants, maybe not, but I wonder if having knee & shin armour plus high end textile or leather pants might have helped...at least regarding the one leg. That said, I wasn't there and didn't see how it happened...as injuries are 99% how you hit/land when you go down.
Just pants, maybe not, but I wonder if having knee & shin armour plus high end textile or leather pants might have helped...at least regarding the one leg. That said, I wasn't there and didn't see how it happened...as injuries are 99% how you hit/land when you go down.
suzuki2000
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Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
I'm not an expert, but I do know a little about Emergency Medical Services(EMS or ambulances) and on site medical services (Patient Transport). EMS and Patient Transport services are quite different, and have very different service capabilities/limitations.
I'm not an expert, but I do know a little about Emergency Medical Services(EMS or ambulances) and on site medical services (Patient Transport). EMS and Patient Transport services are quite different, and have very different service capabilities/limitations.
Re: 27yr old Whitby man loses leg, has other partially amputated at Cayuga yesterday
TMP has always been lax on their medical response.
I recall about 7 yrs ago on the road course someone taking a spill, and they sent the "first aid" guy out. He told the rider that he "dislocated" his shoulder, and decided to put his knee on the riders chest and than put his hands near his shoulder to pop back in this "dislocated" shoulder.
Turns out it was a broken collarbone, and said "first aider" had made the seperation of the collarbone so bad it requried immediate surgery.
As for landing the chopper, only fire or ambulance makes that call.
Hope TMP holds on tight, and theyve paid up on their insurance.
TMP has always been lax on their medical response.
I recall about 7 yrs ago on the road course someone taking a spill, and they sent the "first aid" guy out. He told the rider that he "dislocated" his shoulder, and decided to put his knee on the riders chest and than put his hands near his shoulder to pop back in this "dislocated" shoulder.
Turns out it was a broken collarbone, and said "first aider" had made the seperation of the collarbone so bad it requried immediate surgery.
As for landing the chopper, only fire or ambulance makes that call.
Hope TMP holds on tight, and theyve paid up on their insurance.
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