Even worse when he said "we are taught to WIN"
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Const. James Forcillo shot Sammy Yatim - the trial
- Thread starter MarcosSantiago
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You said" At the time of the first shot Yatim was less than 5 metres from Forcillo" so let me ask you, who dictated the distance between Forcillo and the guy with the knife? Forcillo put himself at the 5 meters distance, if he felt his life was at risk at that distance then walk a few meters back, end of story. if then Sammy exited the street car and walked towards him by all means empty your gun on him, but none of that happened.
pfbmgd
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Yes they are taught to win . If they lose they lose their life . Worse yet the person get away and injures some one like you . Then you sue the police for letting him get away and injuring you .
It's a not win with you guys . You live in a fantasy world .
It's a not win with you guys . You live in a fantasy world .
Fantasy? so leaving in a world where a police officer will try to deescalate before putting 9 bullets into someone is a fantasy world?
"If they lose they lose their life" I agree, but not in this situation, not when there were sooo many other options, not when the police officer is "out of control" yelling obscenities, not when Yamin could have been contained without the use of lethal force at the moment he was killed, maybe not 5 min later if he left the street car.
I guess in your "real world" police can do no wrong right?
No one sues for stupid stuff here in Canada, or of they do they will lose, this is not the states.
This is also not the Wild Wild West, I think you watched too many 70's movies.
Yamin wasn't going to get away and go hurt someone else, if contained properly he would have been put under rehab and jail.
It's easy to say a few words like you just did and make it seem like we are all a bunch of anti cop hippies living in our safe world and don't understand what the cops have to go through, and part of that might be true however they need to be accountable for their actions and who the hell are you to criticize the public for having an opinion that is different that yours?
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pfbmgd
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See again your jumping to conclusions . I have always stated I understand the situation . I never said it was handled the best way . But under the circumstances I can see how things happened .
Maybe deescalation would have worked maybe not . Maybe we would be talking about why police get such great funerals .
Let not forget that Sammy put himself in this situation . Forcillo had a duty to respond .
It's for the court to discide if he responded properly .
I want my police to be taught to win . I want them to deal with treats apporiatly . Dealing with a person with a knife with a gun . In my book and police book is ok .
To police it's a job it's not fair to expect police not to have win attitude . The criminals defiantly do . Thats why they don't pay attention to laws .
This all makes sense but why are you giving police a blank check? They've had the benefit of the doubt forever, now with video we see an extreme case of overzealous slaughter and you just tow the party line. Why?
pfbmgd
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They don't get a blank cheque . Thats why he is on trail .
I just can see how things develop when you are under duress .
I give the police the benefit of a doubt . They are always in a no win situation . There are always people on the sideline that think they can do better . We all can when we are sitting safe at home .
Let the system do its thing .
We are letting the system do it's thing. People are commenting on what they observe and conclude, as are you. I take it your frustrated because most people don't agree with you? Because most people don't understand?
Except then you open up a potential escape route for Yatim, and Yatim running around on the street with a knife putting many at risk would be far worse than him bottled up in a streetcar putting one or two cops at risk.
... then perhaps something should have been done AFTER he had ACTUALLY escaped.
I "get" that the cop was in a tough position and faced with making a snap decision. I "get" that there is plenty of shoulda, woulda, coulda.
But why keep shooting after he was already on the ground??
I "get" that the cop was in a tough position and faced with making a snap decision. I "get" that there is plenty of shoulda, woulda, coulda.
But why keep shooting after he was already on the ground??
Huh? Instead of shooting rounds into a street car you want the cops to wait and then fire shots down the street after a fleeing knife attacker?
The only hard question to fathom is the additional shots after he was down in the streetcar. Could Forcillo reasonably have seen Yatim as a threat at that point? That is the point where I think the trial will hinge upon.
The fact that you think that's even a question speaks volumes. Down here on earth it was never a question.
Down here on earth Forcillo still gets to answer to the charges and a judge and/or jury get to examine all of the evidence before they rule on whether his actions are reasonable. I realize that things were sometimes different in the deep South where all that was needed was an angry and often uninformed mob with a rope and a tree, but we're not there any more.
Do you need that question answered for you? Because? I'm not asking you or I be executioner. Just see with your eyes.
My eyes have not seen the evidence close up in court. Social media and regular news media is a poor substitute for that.
So you're here to remind us a trial is ongoing. Check. You won't be offering any more perspectives?
I find this to be an interesting statement. Either
1. Lawyer fed him this blatantly wrong line in the hopes that the jury would believe it,
2. Forcillo grossly misunderstood his training,
3. Someone extremely incompetent is training TPS officers
Interesting statement is an understatement but cannot depixilate because I was not there and I'm not at the trial AND I'm reading this on social media.
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