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nobbie48

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So infuriating. So focused on "protecting the integrity of the investigation" that they release almost nothing. None of the officers involved are willing to talk to SIU. I agree that should be allowed but it should trigger immediate dismissal. How can you put someone back on the street with a gun that shot a baby and refused to discuss how it happened?

The problem IMO is not the cop on the beat but with the cop weasel that worked his / her way up the ladder. Who hired Forcillo and why? etc.

If the cop on the beat breathes a word about the upper management screw ups his career is toast.
 

GreyGhost

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The problem IMO is not the cop on the beat but with the cop weasel that worked his / her way up the ladder. Who hired Forcillo and why? etc.

If the cop on the beat breathes a word about the upper management screw ups his career is toast.
I agree. Problems with the system are far far larger than problems with individual officers. The system says they are allowed to avoid talking to SIU and there are no downsides for doing so. Given that framework, what idiot would give a statement? It can only hurt you. The whole system is setup to provide protection and isolation from any external interference so they can do as they wish. That needs to be blown up and started with a base of exposure, transparency and public trust.
 

GreyGhost

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The "system" you speak of is the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, part of the foundation of our country.
Nope, PSA cleanup would work. You would never be required to speak to SIU as that could infringe on your charter rights however, failure to speak to SIU should have the possibility (and preferably probability) of termination. You can't shoot people, not provide any help to the investigation (which may help avoid that situation in the future) and then go back to carrying a gun. If you want a softer approach, don't terminate but remove their ability to carry a gun and adjust their salary to the commensurate civilian position within the force.
 

FullMotoJacket

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I agree. Problems with the system are far far larger than problems with individual officers. The system says they are allowed to avoid talking to SIU and there are no downsides for doing so. Given that framework, what idiot would give a statement? It can only hurt you

Of all the people I know that would understand it’s never in your best interest to talk to cops it would be cops.
 

bitzz

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... so a cop has to give up rights as a Canadian as a condition of employment?
Every cop in the country will quit, and rightly so.

If YOU shoot someone, as a Canadian, YOU don't have to answer any questions either.
You can't shoot people, not provide any help to the investigation
Yes, yes you can... kinda a cornerstone of western jurisprudence, the right to NOT be a witness against yourself and the only way to change that is to change the Candian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to EXCLUDE peace officers. Ain't gonna happen.
 

GreyGhost

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... so a cop has to give up rights as a Canadian as a condition of employment?
Every cop in the country will quit, and rightly so.

If YOU shoot someone, as a Canadian, YOU don't have to answer any questions either.

Yes, yes you can... kinda a cornerstone of western jurisprudence, the right to NOT be a witness against yourself and the only way to change that is to change the Candian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to EXCLUDE peace officers. Ain't gonna happen.
You're focussing on the wrong part of my argument. I am not advocating for self-incrimination, I am basically advocating for revoking their right to carry a gun after shooting someone if they chose not to be involved with the investigation. I would expect the same consequences for a private citizen.
 

800over

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The "system" you speak of is the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, part of the foundation of our country.
No just no. No one is advocating self incrimination. But if you don't want to talk about what happened...then you aren't a police officer anymore....even worse are the partners who wont say anything. The penalty for not submitting notes in the required amount of time is loss of your job....not a slap on the wrist.
 

Mad Mike

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The "system" you speak of is the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, part of the foundation of our country.
I don't think you can hang this on the charter. If you shot someone or committed a criminal offense, the charter would protect you from having to incriminate yourself.

But is that really the thorny issue here? Would the charter force your employer to provide you full paid leave, benefits and seniority for 3 years? Then pay for your criminal defense?

The charter protects one from forcing someone into incriminating themselves, that's not really the issue that raises concerns.
 

nobbie48

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I don't think you can hang this on the charter. If you shot someone or committed a criminal offense, the charter would protect you from having to incriminate yourself.

But is that really the thorny issue here? Would the charter force your employer to provide you full paid leave, benefits and seniority for 3 years? Then pay for your criminal defense?

The charter protects one from forcing someone into incriminating themselves, that's not really the issue that raises concerns.

Are the criminal defense costs a taxable benefit? The government doesn't hire cheap lawyers. A civilian pays his / her own way. Are those a tax deduction?
 

GreyGhost

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Are the criminal defense costs a taxable benefit? The government doesn't hire cheap lawyers. A civilian pays his / her own way. Are those a tax deduction?
I suspect but dont know for sure that it would be dealt with like insurance. Pay a couple bucks into the pool with after tax dollars but if you are one of the unlucky sods that needs six figure help, it is not a taxable benefit.
 

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