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Roadghost said:
You don't need a semi to make a big mess. You can do a mass shooting with a lever, slide or bolt action too. The guy in that second vid has been doing a lot of practicing for that kind of shooting.
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Exactly. Infact the bolt action would be the most effective. The Las Vegas shooter, with a bump stock modified semi, fired over 1000 rounds in 10 minutes, it took over an hour for authorities to reach him, where they found that he eventually took his own life. How many casualties from that thousand rounds? 58 deaths, 400 something wounded. Swap that scenario to a Remington 700 and an equal number of .308 rounds. Would he have gotten them all off in 10 minutes? No. But he had an hour, and there would have been a body for almost every one of those bullets.
 
torontosun.com

LILLEY: Premiers tee off on Trudeau's gun ban

Several of Canada’s premiers aren’t reacting well to the federal government’s gun ban announcement, saying it doesn’t do anything to combat gun crime and the…
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As for the border, the feds are only promising $86 million over five years, or $17 million a year, to fight back at what every police chief in Canada will tell you is the No. 1 source of crime guns.
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Jayv said:
www.ctvnews.ca

Trudeau says legislation on municipal handgun bans coming

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau defended his assault-rifle ban on Sunday and promised to go even further by targeting handguns and tightening border security with new legislation introduced in the Parliament.
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Not surprised. Like I said, he needs to get all his pet projects through during the covid crisis. After this is over, his reign of terror is finished.
 
GreyGhost said:
It's never been about crime with him. It's about banning scary black guns as nobody needs those. Not sure why he has such a hard-on for this quest.
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this isn't a trudy thing, this is a billy boy blair deal, he pushed this when he was top cop in TO
 
JTR said:
Exactly. Infact the bolt action would be the most effective. The Las Vegas shooter, with a bump stock modified semi, fired over 1000 rounds in 10 minutes, it took over an hour for authorities to reach him, where they found that he eventually took his own life. How many casualties from that thousand rounds? 58 deaths, 400 something wounded. Swap that scenario to a Remington 700 and an equal number of .308 rounds. Would he have gotten them all off in 10 minutes? No. But he had an hour, and there would have been a body for almost every one of those bullets.
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That's what I don't get about these anti-gun idiots. They just don't understand that a .308 hunting round can blow a 6" hole in someone. The 5.56 FMJ in an AR15 is a pea-shooter in comparison, in fact it's not even designed to kill the first shot. It's designed to disable. A Remington 700 will kill everything it hits, and it only needs to hit you once.
 
Roadghost said:
This clown was running big deficits long before this crisis.
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You didn't answer my question but went off on a tangent about the past, not the present and short term future.

Evoex said:
motorcycles next? paging @PrivatePilot
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Yawn, the "slippery slopes, assault weapon ban today, but next thing you know they'll be taking our first born children!" arguments are old and busted, and frankly and with all due respect, the equations that lead to these sorts of silly statements are out in left field.

Hack said:
I think a lot of people are missing the point on what actually happened here.
A MINORITY gov't circumvented parliament to advance THEIR agenda...
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This isn't lost on me, but the general public overwhelmingly support the assault weapon ban so there's not going to be howling in the street over the method when most welcome the end result. And just because it was done via OIC doesn't mean it is "home free" yet either. Lastly, Future governments can repeal it when they get in power if they so please, or a vote of non confidence on something else at any point during this minority government could trigger an early election and give the opposition the opportunity to run on a promise to repeal it.

But I'd put a chunk of money on the reality none of the above will happen. Why?

- The NDP are in shambles right now, can't afford nor want an election, and pretty much support the ban anyways.
- The Conservatives are also in rough shape, have a lame duck leader who can't find his own ass with both hands, knowingly flubbed the last election when it was all but handed to them on a silver platter, and lastly, they know that if they try to call a snap election on this issue, and this issue alone...they will get clobbered and end up probably way further behind than they are right now....IE, a Liberal majority again.
- 3 or 4 years from now when the current administration is history I don't think you'll find much appetite for any party that publicly supports a repeal simply because, again, a huge majority of Canadians support it. They support it more and more for that matter every-time another bunch of the commando whackjob Americans flashes into the public eye. Like it, or not. It's reality.

Trudeau's numbers are high right now on his handling of Covid19, and 80% of the population support this ban in addition to that. Any opposition party who would even try to call an election right inside the next 12-24 months on a this issue would die by their own sword.
 
PrivatePilot said:
You didn't answer my question but went off on a tangent about the past, not the present and short term future.



Yawn, the "slippery slopes, assault weapon ban today, but next thing you know they'll be taking our first born children!" arguments are old and busted, and frankly and with all due respect, the equations that lead to these sorts of silly statements are out in left field.



This isn't lost on me, but the general public overwhelmingly support the assault weapon ban so there's not going to be howling in the street over the method when most welcome the end result. And just because it was done via OIC doesn't mean it is "home free" yet either. Lastly, Future governments can repeal it when they get in power if they so please, or a vote of non confidence on something else at any point during this minority government could trigger an early election and give the opposition the opportunity to run on a promise to repeal it.

But I'd put a chunk of money on the reality none of the above will happen. Why?

- The NDP are in shambles right now, can't afford nor want an election, and pretty much support the ban anyways.
- The Conservatives are also in rough shape, have a lame duck leader who can't find his own ass with both hands, knowingly flubbed the last election when it was all but handed to them on a silver platter, and lastly, they know that if they try to call a snap election on this issue, and this issue alone...they will get clobbered and end up probably way further behind than they are right now....IE, a Liberal majority again.
- 3 or 4 years from now when the current administration is history I don't think you'll find much appetite for any party that publicly supports a repeal simply because, again, a huge majority of Canadians support it. They support it more and more for that matter every-time another bunch of the commando whackjob Americans flashes into the public eye. Like it, or not. It's reality.

Trudeau's numbers are high right now on his handling of Covid19, and 80% of the population support this ban in addition to that. Any opposition party who would even try to call an election right inside the next 12-24 months on a this issue would die by their own sword.
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I dont believe the 80% based on a poll. Every poll I have seen for the past decade has been beyond hopeless. Giant selection bias now that land lines are not ubiquitous. For real numbers, I want a referendum. Just attach topics to every election for roughly zero added cost. If people cant be bothered voting in the referendum, obviously the topic wasnt that important to them. Those numbers I would believe as representative of people that cared about the topic.
 
GreyGhost said:
I dont believe the 80% based on a poll.
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Even if it's off by 20% which seems wildly unlikely, the majority are still going to be on the side of the ban.

Again, like it or not, most Canadians don't own guns. Most do not like guns but respect the possession of hunting related guns for hunters. But when it comes to the "I take it to the range and it gives me a raging hard-on" weapons that serve little other purpose aside from that, the opinions of the average Canadian are fairly clear.

And are being further cemented every....single....day....

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The ban is misrepresented and based on lies. Guns not useful for hunting, and natives can keep them for hunting. Noone in canada has legally used an ar15 to hunt deer for decades yet fools listen to the turd proclaiming that.
My lawfully acquired property stays where it is. Change is a comin.
 
I believe it 24mm. Your toolkit has the tool.
 
PrivatePilot said:
You didn't answer my question but went off on a tangent about the past, not the present and short term future.
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Well I answered it better than your favorite politician does. Here, let me be more specific: I would NOT have spent $113 billion on handouts. Got it? I would have avoided much of the crisis by cutting off foreign plane flights two weeks earlier, like everyone was telling Trudeau to do, but he refused.
-- no $2000 a month handout. Apply for welfare instead.
-- no paying huge bid-up prices for faulty PPE because we gave it all away, and no expensive charter flights to pick it up.

I could go on, but I don't get paid to run the country, the idiot does, and he's an idiot.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Even if it's off by 20% which seems wildly unlikely, the majority are still going to be on the side of the ban.

Again, like it or not, most Canadians don't own guns. Most do not like guns but respect the possession of hunting related guns for hunters. But when it comes to the "I take it to the range and it gives me a raging hard-on" weapons that serve little other purpose aside from that, the opinions of the average Canadian are fairly clear.

And are being further cemented every....single....day....

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The "poll" you're talking about was done by the formerly Toronto Star owned Angus Reid Institute. They're basically a Liberal support organization that always polls to plug Party policy. Just like Nick Nanos. How fast do you have to be to do a poll while the police are still looking for bodies after a mass shooting? This was political agenda pushing at its worst and most tasteless.

We also have polls saying Canadians want serious curbs on immigration. How quickly are the Liberals to react to that? It's not government by poll in this country. Democracies are all about individual rights, it's not dictatorship by majority. If it was, motorcycles wouldn't be legal.
 
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