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Marco Muzzo

Well, Devils Advocate, he was denied parole last time because he had shown zero remorse, taken no steps to address his obvious alcohol issues, not joined the in prison AA meetings or optioned counciling. He got with the programs when it became obvious that was his ticket out.

Not saying people cant change, wont change. This guy? I'm not paying his assurity bond.
 
Also, his family is rich, I have no idea how much of that wealth is controlled by mm. For all we know, he may have gone from prince to pauper over this mess if the family decided he besmirched their name and dont want to give him a chance to repeat it (or at the very least can say they did everything they could to prevent it). If his grandfather was still around, I wouldnt have been at all surprised if that happened. I havent dealt with the middle generation sonI dont know how they are dealing with this.

IIRC he is an only child or male child. If the family (stressing the if) thinks in terms of dynasties what else do they do with the estate?

I had a friend that was a small echo of MM, an only child that would have inherited a house on the Kingsway, the family business, cottage and coin. He unfortunately was an alcoholic that had trouble staying dry. Drank and drove with a few crashes but never hurting anyone. His father sold the business and distributed the money leaving a little in a trust account for the wayward son. He ended up smoking himself to death in a subsidized apartment.

Apparently MM blew his first parole hearing due to an attitude problem. I can understand being in denial for the first few days after the crash but downplaying it this many years later doesn't make me want to give him a hug. Personally I think that after he failed the first parole hearing he got some better coaching.

I wonder about an alternate to the one shot sentence. Instead of 10 years in one shot make it one month in six. Every six months he has to face up to what he did for 60 years, just like the parents of the kids he killed.
 
I feel so bad for the family. Breaks my heart every time I see the picture of those 3 young kids

I was also suprized that they were not invited to give proper victim impact statements. It seems strange that they were only asked to join by phone at the last moment
 
I bet he's back drinking again within a month of getting out.

That would be very unfortunate. We all make mistakes some are more severe than others but if you can’t learn from your mistakes regardless of their size then there is no hope for you.
I find it hard to comprehend that his remorse is not genuine.
If his remorse is just a ticket out of jail then he truly is a worthless pice of **** that deserves to rot.
 
IIRC he is an only child or male child. If the family (stressing the if) thinks in terms of dynasties what else do they do with the estate?

I had a friend that was a small echo of MM, an only child that would have inherited a house on the Kingsway, the family business, cottage and coin. He unfortunately was an alcoholic that had trouble staying dry. Drank and drove with a few crashes but never hurting anyone. His father sold the business and distributed the money leaving a little in a trust account for the wayward son. He ended up smoking himself to death in a subsidized apartment.

Apparently MM blew his first parole hearing due to an attitude problem. I can understand being in denial for the first few days after the crash but downplaying it this many years later doesn't make me want to give him a hug. Personally I think that after he failed the first parole hearing he got some better coaching.

I wonder about an alternate to the one shot sentence. Instead of 10 years in one shot make it one month in six. Every six months he has to face up to what he did for 60 years, just like the parents of the kids he killed.

If I recall correctly..
The family dynasty has already gone towards his uncle... and his sons (little Marco's cousins)
He'll collect very healthy payments for life... but he'll never head up the family businesses... if he's even allowed to be involved at all.
 
That would be very unfortunate. We all make mistakes some are more severe than others but if you can’t learn from your mistakes regardless of their size then there is no hope for you.
I find it hard to comprehend that his remorse is not genuine.
If his remorse is just a ticket out of jail then he truly is a worthless pice of **** that deserves to rot.

you know the old saying,"you can't fix stupid"
 
I struggle with the impaired driving laws in Canada, I think they are broken at both ends. Penalties for those who create tragedies like this seem trivial... imagine if he got stinkin' drunk and started firing a rifle that resulted in the deaths of 4 innocent people - would he be on day parole after 4 years?

On the other hand there are folks that make really dumb mistakes and drive over the limit with no aggravating circumstances. The penalties are extremely harsh when compared to other deadly behaviours. I know a 21yr old kid who got caught moving his car 15 feet from the street in front of his house into his driveway at 2AM after a house party. He faced impoundment ($1500), 90 days suspension + an additional min 6 months when it got to trial, $2000 in fines, back-on-track and 1 year of interlock ($2500), an increase in insurance premiums that will add up to $70,000 over a 10 year period and a criminal record. To me this is harsh, the consequences for this mistake extreme.

I get the fact that harsh penalties ought to be a deterrent and the laws are in place to protect the public however I also believe the law does not have enough punishment for situations where innocent victims are harmed. On the flip side, the harsh penalties for a first time offender who has no aggravating circumstances might cause more harm than good. I think MADD has adopted this outlook.
 
I get the fact that harsh penalties ought to be a deterrent and the laws are in place to protect the public however I also believe the law does not have enough punishment for situations where innocent victims are harmed. On the flip side, the harsh penalties for a first time offender who has no aggravating circumstances might cause more harm than good. I think MADD has adopted this outlook.


I stopped paying attention to anything MADD had to say when one of thier top executive was dinged for impaired driving. They were an interested lobby group that evolved into a massive business.
 
I stopped paying attention to anything MADD had to say when one of thier top executive was dinged for impaired driving. They were an interested lobby group that evolved into a massive business.
Madd is awful. They are like goop. I think most of the crazies involved believe they are doing a good thing but unfortunately they completely detached from reality long ago. Even the founder of madd thinks they are nuts. I am very anti-DUI but I wont support anything that gives money to madd.
 
I struggle with the impaired driving laws in Canada, I think they are broken at both ends. Penalties for those who create tragedies like this seem trivial... imagine if he got stinkin' drunk and started firing a rifle that resulted in the deaths of 4 innocent people - would he be on day parole after 4 years?

On the other hand there are folks that make really dumb mistakes and drive over the limit with no aggravating circumstances. The penalties are extremely harsh when compared to other deadly behaviours. I know a 21yr old kid who got caught moving his car 15 feet from the street in front of his house into his driveway at 2AM after a house party. He faced impoundment ($1500), 90 days suspension + an additional min 6 months when it got to trial, $2000 in fines, back-on-track and 1 year of interlock ($2500), an increase in insurance premiums that will add up to $70,000 over a 10 year period and a criminal record. To me this is harsh, the consequences for this mistake extreme.

I get the fact that harsh penalties ought to be a deterrent and the laws are in place to protect the public however I also believe the law does not have enough punishment for situations where innocent victims are harmed. On the flip side, the harsh penalties for a first time offender who has no aggravating circumstances might cause more harm than good. I think MADD has adopted this outlook.
I understand and sympathize with what you're saying. However, the latter situation is the direct result of trying to fix the former situation by increasing minimum & mandatory penalties
 
My grandfather used to say "A leopard never changes its spots."
In that case, did MM make one very very stupid move, or was this part of a pattern? Based on what I have seen, I think b, but I've never personally dealt with him so I cant say for sure.
 
I understand and sympathize with what you're saying. However, the latter situation is the direct result of trying to fix the former situation by increasing minimum & mandatory penalties

Harsh penalties are only relevant if the driver thinks something will go wrong.

D.H. Lawrence: "The best safety device for a car is a dagger attached to the steering wheel with the blade pointed at the driver's heart."
 
Harsh penalties are only relevant if the driver thinks something will go wrong.

D.H. Lawrence: "The best safety device for a car is a dagger attached to the steering wheel with the blade pointed at the driver's heart."
Haha, tie that to the interlock. It doesn't stop the car from starting, it just makes sure you don't survive if there is a crash.
 
I stopped paying attention to anything MADD had to say when one of thier top executive was dinged for impaired driving. They were an interested lobby group that evolved into a massive business.
I agree, MADD like most interest groups, started out as a grass roots organization that lobbied for uniform tough laws to curb impaired driving. Today it's just another registered charity business -- not much more than collecting money to pay execs and the staff that supports them. $12million of their $45M budget pays salaries, 50% of their fundraising dollars are returned as commission to fundraisers.
 
Well, Devils Advocate, he was denied parole last time because he had shown zero remorse, taken no steps to address his obvious alcohol issues, not joined the in prison AA meetings or optioned counciling. He got with the programs when it became obvious that was his ticket out.

Not saying people cant change, wont change. This guy? I'm not paying his assurity bond.
He still thinks it takes 8 or 9 drinks to get drunk to the point where he cant drive.

"And then there was the time three years before the crash when he got so drunk that police had to be called: Denied entry to a Vaughan nightclub because of his intoxication, he and a friend “began to fight with the bouncers and also threatened their lives.

Police attended the scene and arrested you; you were reported to be belligerent and rude to the police, refused to follow their instructions and yelled at them. Once you were placed in the rear seat of the police car, you made several attempts to kick the windows out.

No one had heard about this incident before — not the sentencing judge or the parole board until shortly before the hearing. Muzzo initially claimed to have forgotten about it — because you forget about a time when you’re charged with intoxication in a public place and held in a police station.

You have to wonder — how did that get buried so deep?

Even now, he still doesn’t get it.

Muzzo shocked everyone at the parole hearing when he said he’d need to consume eight or nine drinks before considering himself impaired in the context of driving.

During the hearing, for the first time since you were arrested, you outlined a significant history of binge drinking and this, coupled with your lack of understanding of the issue of impairment, leads the board to conclude your risk remains undue,” the decision states.

Your contention (even at this late date), that you believe eight or nine drinks would be required to make you impaired, speaks volume in this regard.”
 
I agree, MADD like most interest groups, started out as a grass roots organization that lobbied for uniform tough laws to curb impaired driving. Today it's just another registered charity business -- not much more than collecting money to pay execs and the staff that supports them. $12million of their $45M budget pays salaries, 50% of their fundraising dollars are returned as commission to fundraisers.

Some I've talked to seem to be WCTL, Women's Christian Temperance League.
 

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