They have to install ABS for the European market, and they have to comply with Euro 4 emission (including noise) regulations for the European market (takes effect in 2017), and the same is true for everywhere else in the world that uses the UN-ECE standards. Traction control etc haven't been seen yet in the small-displacement market (and isn't really needed) but if you have the ABS hardware (legally required in EU) and you have a drive-by-wire throttle (pretty much necessary for Euro 4 compliance) then traction control is only software and a couple of inexpensive sensors away ...
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They have to install ABS for the European market, and they have to comply with Euro 4 emission (including noise) regulations for the European market (takes effect in 2017), and the same is true for everywhere else in the world that uses the UN-ECE standards. Traction control etc haven't been seen yet in the small-displacement market (and isn't really needed) but if you have the ABS hardware (legally required in EU) and you have a drive-by-wire throttle (pretty much necessary for Euro 4 compliance) then traction control is only software and a couple of inexpensive sensors away ...
You know there's more than 1 page of reviews there, right? I had no trouble finding some 5 star (and 4 star, and 3 star) reviews....amongst the 2 and 1 star reviews.
And yes, I know the modus operandi when one finds their favorite brand not ranking well on a website is to question the websites legitimacy...but hey, whatever. Consumer reports still ranks HD middle of the pack in reliability, unless you'd like to question their legitimacy as well.
What fantasy? **** happens to all bikes that sometimes parks you on the side of the road. If you're suggesting that's never happened the other way around where it's broken down HD's sitting on the side of the road (and again, statistically, is more like to happen vs the other way around) one may suggest you have quite the fantasy of your own.
Sadly people are attracted by the baubles and don't pay attention to the bones. The scarier part of this is houses/condos are built on the same philosophy. To the vast majority of purchasers, a polished turd is much more desirable than a well-constructed item with no flash.
JP0160
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Back to the OT, what "baubles" do you think the CBR has in order to win the purchase over other dealers?
On another note, I got the recall letter today
I really hope I can get the bike back within a couple weeks, I am dropping it off tomorrow. Luckily a friend of mine is letting me take his R3 for a rip whenever I please. That should help keep the withdrawals down!
Back to the OT, what "baubles" do you think the CBR has in order to win the purchase over other dealers?
On another note, I got the recall letter today
Luckily a friend of mine is letting me take his R3 for a rip whenever I please. That should help keep the withdrawals down!
I was referring in general to traction control, abs, digital dashes, fuel gauges, fuel injection etc. All of the things that are not required to make a bike run and eat up development time and money (although some may be required for emissions, gov't regulations etc).
True, especially if they can use the same physical part across multiple models with just software changes.
Roadghost
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I took a look at the reviews for Yamaha and found a long list of gripes too. It's the methodology of those sites that is a problem; they tend to attract malcontents and people who have had bad experiences rather than those who have had good experiences. If you do the math you will find bad experiences overrepresented. That's why they call them "gripe" sites. Look a little closer and you find a lot of these people are to blame for their own problems.
An interesting admission from Consumer Reports a few years ago. They stated during the first 5 years of vehicle ownership, according to their numbers, your chances of having a problem are small even for the worst car models. They attributed this to the fact that vehicles are far better built today than ever before. I suggest that similar is true for motorcycles. A few people have problems, but overall very few do. Motorcycles are far better today than ever before.
There are those who still cling to the lore of the AMF years to pretend Harley Davidson is not a reliable motorcycle. They generally do this out of envy and spite. Others will do it simply because they resent the HD comradery and feel left out. I don't think you are one of those, but look through the posts here and you can find the usual suspects trashing the brand. As for bikes sitting at the side of the road, I have found it usually happens to people who don't have a clue how a machine works. It's usually something stupid, like relying on a motorcycle fuel gauge, or not changing a chain, or not realizing a clutch cable is loose or out of adjustment, or "Oil? Yea the dealer did that last summer..." I almost never see motorcycles at the side of the road these days, and when I do it's never a Harley. But yeah, the numbers say HD is more likely to have problems. On a bigger, more complex motorcycle like a Street Glide or Electra Glide loaded with trinkets an baubles I don't think that's improbable.
I don't particularly consider my words here "bashing" HD's. I consider it realistic commenting based on the facts without the effects of the reality distortion field that surrounds the brand, that's all.
The possibility exists that, hell, I may own a HD some day. Never say never. I just spent several days riding with a good friend who owns one and, hey, it's a nice bike, don't get me wrong. He likes his HD, his signifigant other likes her Suzuki Boulavard M90 (and is sniffing around at a Victory), I like my VTX, and my wife loves her Yamaha. Yes there was a few friendly HD ribs here and there and likewise the other way, but in the end, brands didn't matter, we all had a great trip together. 2 wheels and good friends is what mattered.
However, what irks me is the segment of HD owners who scream at the top of their lungs that their Hd's are "the best" (sometimes followed by "jap crap is all junk!") regardless of the facts that clearly show the reality is otherwise. Yes, stats show that HD owners are the "happiest", but it seems to me that it's despite the fact that their bikes also have problems (just like all other brands, case in point my wifes speedo cable broke on the way home from Quebec), the HD reality distortion field still keeps them "happy" even when their bike is in the shop.
The possibility exists that, hell, I may own a HD some day. Never say never. I just spent several days riding with a good friend who owns one and, hey, it's a nice bike, don't get me wrong. He likes his HD, his signifigant other likes her Suzuki Boulavard M90 (and is sniffing around at a Victory), I like my VTX, and my wife loves her Yamaha. Yes there was a few friendly HD ribs here and there and likewise the other way, but in the end, brands didn't matter, we all had a great trip together. 2 wheels and good friends is what mattered.
However, what irks me is the segment of HD owners who scream at the top of their lungs that their Hd's are "the best" (sometimes followed by "jap crap is all junk!") regardless of the facts that clearly show the reality is otherwise. Yes, stats show that HD owners are the "happiest", but it seems to me that it's despite the fact that their bikes also have problems (just like all other brands, case in point my wifes speedo cable broke on the way home from Quebec), the HD reality distortion field still keeps them "happy" even when their bike is in the shop.
-Maverick-
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As someone who's engine blew up on the highway and was hurled over the handlebars (wink wink), I would think they would take special action to get you a new motor yesterday or offer you what you paid to trade up to one of the proven Hondas. It's the least they could do to prevent a lawsuit for your injuries. Right?
"Dealer tells me that Honda has had them remove all 300's from sales floor pending an engine "main shaft" recall/replacement. Dealer also said that Honda will take such action when a problem has been identified and when injury(s) or worse has occurred. They are hoping to have the parts in a week or so.
I assume what they told is valid and true. Just passing it along for what it's worth."
http://www.cbr300forum.com/forum/wa...br300r-cb300f-20.html#/topics/18378?_k=ryqvuq
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"Dealer tells me that Honda has had them remove all 300's from sales floor pending an engine "main shaft" recall/replacement. Dealer also said that Honda will take such action when a problem has been identified and when injury(s) or worse has occurred. They are hoping to have the parts in a week or so.
I assume what they told is valid and true. Just passing it along for what it's worth."
http://www.cbr300forum.com/forum/wa...br300r-cb300f-20.html#/topics/18378?_k=ryqvuq
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Kri$han
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This guy right here :thumbup:
Roadghost
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Just wondering what the response was from the Honda dealer. Hmm, let me guess:
"Yup, it's covered under warranty. We ordered the parts to fix it, but they're on back order. See you next year. Sorry..."
Maovee
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I just got this letter in the mail yesterday after riding to Quebec from London.. And back.. Lmao. So I called my dealer and they won't have the part in until the end of the month. Totally glad my bike didn't die on my trip.
Letter says the fix shouldn't take more than a day. Dealer tells me they'll keep my bike for a week. Pfft.
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Letter says the fix shouldn't take more than a day. Dealer tells me they'll keep my bike for a week. Pfft.
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Roadghost
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I'll lay odds that part is not in stock until late October. Take it back to them and ask for a courtesy bike while you wait for the part, just to see what they say. Call Honda and see what they say too. Typical Jap bikes, parts always on backorder. Boy, I can see nothing has changed 30 years later.
Ordered speedo cable for my wifes "Jap bike" on Thursday last week. Arrived Friday at the local dealership. Cost was a whole $26.
Inquired about new front wheel bearings for my "Jap Bike" 2 weeks ago (planned winter preventative maintenance), dealer 30 minutes away had them in stock and offered to ship them to a local powerhouse dealer for me if I wanted.
Yeah, parts sure are a big issue. Best buy a Harley I guess.
If you bought a bike that was actually made in Japan, no problem getting parts within days for the last two decades.
These small CC bikes aren't even made in China because it's too expensive, they've got parts coming from all over SE Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, India). They're still catching up to North Americans finding a demand for bikes that are banned in a lot of Asian areas for being too low class.
Why didn't you just buy a low miles used ZZR250? Hell I'm on the cusp of getting one for my daily driver and dumping my Canadian built Toyota Matrix that is an utter brake eating oil ingesting POS.
These small CC bikes aren't even made in China because it's too expensive, they've got parts coming from all over SE Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, India). They're still catching up to North Americans finding a demand for bikes that are banned in a lot of Asian areas for being too low class.
Why didn't you just buy a low miles used ZZR250? Hell I'm on the cusp of getting one for my daily driver and dumping my Canadian built Toyota Matrix that is an utter brake eating oil ingesting POS.
JP0160
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I will take the problem off your hands ... I have a whole LOONIE here to give you for the bike ... deal ?
A WHOLE loonie? That's far too much, I will only accept half!
Got the call from the dealership today, said parts will be in November 30th. I mentioned I was worried about damage to the engine when it failed and requested a complete engine replacement rather than repair, she said that's up to Honda Canada and it would take a bit longer if that's the case. Typical repair is only a 1 day process apparently.
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