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Guy Kills His Girlfriend In High-Speed Motorcycle Crash (Video)

The video goes to slo-mo at the time of impact. We can't accurately calculate his exact speed without having some point of reference like, say, frame rate. We might be able to come up with estimates based on feature positional changes stepping from frame-to-frame but we need more info.

We can, however, look at (a) the damage to the car and (b) the distance the girl flew through the air before hitting the ground to infer that his speed was "significant."

Like here, the commenters on LiveLeak are similarly polarized as to who's to blame. Many blame excess speed and others the old guy in the car. Many echo sentiments here (e.g. "100 % the car's fault. But the car's fault does not save your life. Defensive driving is a must...."). I simply think that, like an airliner crash where it's pretty rare that a single eventuality caused an aircraft to hit a mountain, in this instance there's degrees of blame to be placed on both the car driver and bike rider.

Mitch Crate: Who's to blame for what happened there?

David Holmes: Who's to blame for what happened there?

It's not always as simple as saying it's "100%" on someone in a car turning left (or right...) in front of a bike when there are extenuating circumstances like speed and bad lighting etc.
 
I love how everybody ignores the fallen guy and run towards the cute girl 100ft farther down the road. Really?
 
Not saying the car driver was not at fault. Not saying the rider was. Rider had right of way, but as the saying goes "Right of way doesn't matter if your're dead." . Unfortunately this was the case. I'm just not assigning fault 100% to either one....I don't have all the details from the vid.
 
Blackfin said:
We can, however, look at (a) the damage to the car and (b) the distance the girl flew through the air before hitting the ground to infer that his speed was "significant."
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90kph would easily do that with the catapulting effect

Here in Hamilton years ago, a passenger was launched over a 10ft fence and off of the raised Burlington expressway by a head on with a car travelling in the wrong direction; niether was speeding


Mitch Crate: Who's to blame for what happened there?
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excessive speed; almost entirely rider, but as a driver you still have to take responsibility for your own safety, and maybe a more vigilant driver would have recognized the insanity approaching. I think we're all guilty of having our minds elsewhere from time to time. Maybe the driver was thinking of what he was going to have for dinner.

David Holmes: Who's to blame for what happened there?
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Same as above, but the driver lived to face some consequence as he should. Uk courts made it pretty clear that despite the riders speed EVERYONE on the road is responsible for their actions, as it should be.
 
pfbmgd said:
One thing we know for sure . The bike had the right of way . I don`t see why you are bringing in other scenarios into this one . If you can`t see 40 meters ahead in normal conditions you need glasses. To be a defensive driver . You should always be prepared to spot or take evasive action . You are correct many times there is no time for reaction .
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Unless that's a stop sign on the rider's road.

Neil_V said:
As I've said repeatedly, a minor speed violation does not negate row offense, and this is precedent in many parts of the world.

Seriously, if this kid was egregiously breaking the limit, in what seems to be a rather rural area, the cam rider would not have tracked him so clearly.

So, not irony, but a logical response over emotional response; you should try it some time
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And the point is that we don't know from the video if it's a minor speeding violation. We don't even know where it is and if that's a stop sign in the video. So open your mind and stop being so emotional. Irony squared now.
 
Baggsy said:
And the point is that we don't know from the video if it's a minor speeding violation. We don't even know where it is and if that's a stop sign in the video. So open your mind and stop being so emotional. Irony squared now.
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No emotion at all, rather objective opinion based on legal precedence, set in a country that actually embraces motorcyclist and their safety; and in that very public case the rider was travelling at 150kph.

The first line of your first comment was fair in a way, but you then immediately follow that with a 'seemed like; could have been; let's not blame the left turner' statement, so excuse me if I don't take your opinion, and phony objectivity, at face value.
 
Neil_V said:
No emotion at all, rather objective opinion based on legal precedence, set in a country that actually embraces motorcyclist and their safety; and in that very public case the rider was travelling at 150kph.

The first line of your first comment was fair in a way, but you then immediately follow that with a 'seemed like; could have been; let's not blame the left turner' statement, so excuse me if I don't take your opinion, and phony objectivity, at face value.
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None of which is relevant, since we don't know wtf happened.
 
Baggsy said:
You're absolutely right about the haters, but I bet you don't see the irony of your statement. You can't tell from the video if it was a significant amount, so why even say that? All the video really does is start an argument between those who always think the cages are right and those who always think bikes are right, with no attempt at actually viewing the individual situations in detail. We don't have enough details here. It looks to me like the car driver stopped partway, but I can't even tell if the biker tried to brake or swerve, and I could be wrong. What we do know, is that there was a collision, and that one person reportedly died. Rest in Peace.
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Neil_V said:
As I've said repeatedly, a minor speed violation does not negate row offense, and this is precedent in many parts of the world.

Seriously, if this kid was egregiously breaking the limit, in what seems to be a rather rural area, the cam rider would not have tracked him so clearly.

So, not irony, but a logical response over emotional response; you should try it some time
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@Baggsy I agree with you. He does it in other threads and when you identify it he will get passive aggressive on you and try to end with an insult after he tells you insults are childish. :lmao:(see bold)
 
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@Baggsy I agree with you. He does it in other threads and when you identify it he will get passive aggressive on you and try to end with an insult after he tells you insults are childish. :lmao:(see bold)
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still upset I see; also, suggestion is far from insult.
 
Baggsy said:
None of which is relevant, since we don't know wtf happened.
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How so? Pretty clear from all that we can see, including the reaction of the other riders, that ROW was violated. So yeah, pretty relevant.
 
Neil_V said:
How so? Pretty clear from all that we can see, including the reaction of the other riders, that ROW was violated. So yeah, pretty relevant.
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Especially, if the bike ran a stop sign.

You seem to believe that your fixed opinion from before you even watched a short video is fact.

I don't have the time or patience to help you learn that you don't have enough information to make such a judgement.

Time for some stick pulling. Later.
 
Baggsy said:
Especially, if the bike ran a stop sign.

You seem to believe that your fixed opinion from before you even watched a short video is fact.

I don't have the time or patience to help you learn that you don't have enough information to make such a judgement.

Time for some stick pulling. Later.
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Just looking at it with the most reasonable lens possible given what we can see as apposed to "well we can't see a stop sign so there could well have been a stop sign" and "we can't tell speed, but it looked fast to me" ... Seems to me youre applying personal bias, no?
 
Nevermind speed etc, I saw rider error.

If the rider was aware what was happening, he would have seen that car was already pointed left and in his direct line of travel.
That is what I noticed as the person recording was looking at this.

Speed looks to have played a part, but major rider error was not being aware.
That video is quite disturbing and I feel sorry for the passenger who's life was ended and think it may have been a better outcome if the helmet stayed on/was the right size or put on properly.

RIP PASSENGER!
 
Hard to guess the speed of the bike, my take is if he was riding in his 'protected spot' near the centerline and he tagged that car on the front left he may have been trying to steer around it, may have been on the brakes to scrub some speed. Carrying an extra 100 lbs wasn't in his favor, and the car probably watching the stopped bikes turned left.
Launching up and over the bike that poor girl could travel that distance at a reasonable speed.

Loud pipes could have prevented this.
 
Baggsy said:
You're absolutely right about the haters, but I bet you don't see the irony of your statement. You can't tell from the video if it was a significant amount, so why even say that? All the video really does is start an argument between those who always think the cages are right and those who always think bikes are right, with no attempt at actually viewing the individual situations in detail. We don't have enough details here. It looks to me like the car driver stopped partway, but I can't even tell if the biker tried to brake or swerve, and I could be wrong. What we do know, is that there was a collision, and that one person reportedly died. Rest in Peace.
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Neil_V said:
still upset I see; also, suggestion is far from insult.
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Why would I get upset from some random internet stranger? That seems irrational.
Interesting you just proved the point again.
 
crankcall said:
Hard to guess the speed of the bike, my take is if he was riding in his 'protected spot' near the centerline and he tagged that car on the front left he may have been trying to steer around it, may have been on the brakes to scrub some speed. Carrying an extra 100 lbs wasn't in his favor, and the car probably watching the stopped bikes turned left.
Launching up and over the bike that poor girl could travel that distance at a reasonable speed.

Loud pipes could have prevented this.
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don't forget improper HID's or super bright HID's
 
As already stated, being right isn't much good if you're dead. If you're a biker and you're not riding defensively, it's going to catch up with you.
 
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