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There are 3 million other black people in Texas you'll be fine
I meant more like, 15 minutes away from where the shootings happened.

Lets just say their job just got harder than it already is.
 
i suspect cbcanada also let his paranoia get the best of him, mine is firmly in check

Depends on your upbringing and experiences. Humans are often fearful of differences, and stereotypes often reinforce those fears. I will subconsciously react different to someone who appears rough and tumble versus someone who is clean cut and in a suit even though the clean cut person may be more likely to have intentions of ill will. Add skin colour and possibly an accent into the mix and it heightens the fear of different even more. Most people are prejudice subconsciously and it's part of tribalism making us less trusting of others that are different.

Look at our criminal legal system - black and hispanic people statistically get harsher sentences than white people for the same crime on the first offence. Theoretically they have more at stake because they're going to be punished more severely.

It's interesting that you mention suits. Would Trayvon Martin be alive today if he was wearing a jacket and tie instead of a hoodie?

I wonder if they keep stats on the dress codes of victims.
 
After this shooting will law obeying citizens defend themselves against cops using their CCW? Clearly even complying withe officer's instructions can get you killed. Maybe on the next traffic stop the driver will shoot first and show ID after.

"According to the FBI, from 1980–2014, an average of 64 law enforcement officers have been feloniously killed per year. Those killed in accidents in the line of duty are not included in that number."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...s_killed_in_the_line_of_duty#Overview_by_year

I wonder why cops in the US are so combative and tense even for a traffic stop. Are officers at that high of a risk in the US? With all these shootings they are increasing their chances of getting shot in the future.
 
After this shooting will law obeying citizens defend themselves against cops using their CCW? Clearly even complying withe officer's instructions can get you killed. Maybe on the next traffic stop the driver will shoot first and show ID after.

"According to the FBI, from 1980–2014, an average of 64 law enforcement officers have been feloniously killed per year. Those killed in accidents in the line of duty are not included in that number."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...s_killed_in_the_line_of_duty#Overview_by_year

I wonder why cops in the US are so combative and tense even for a traffic stop. Are officers at that high of a risk in the US? With all these shootings they are increasing their chances of getting shot in the future.

[h=1]Dallas police officers gunned down: leaders, public figures react[/h]
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/dallas-police-killed-reaction-1.3670053
 
Leaders, public figures react. Interesting.
 
I wonder why cops in the US are so combative and tense even for a traffic stop. Are officers at that high of a risk in the US? With all these shootings they are increasing their chances of getting shot in the future.

The risks are higher (Depending where you work.. Beverly Hills vs South Chicago). For things that would seem harmless in Canada, could easily get you shot (maybe by accident) in certain places in the US. Knocking on the wrong door, the wrong type of way. Arguing with someone in a parking lot (like that Costco situation) would easily have escalated if you were in the "right" area. Even looking at someone in a car for too long, they'll shoot you through the door of your car. If you live in a nice area these things don't happen as much, but not so great area's these kind of things happen more. Dressing the wrong way obviously can get you killed. Guns are just a lot more prevalent in the culture and lives of Americans (from my experience). Cops have to deal with people not really knowing if the person will just pop off right away, which does happen. Here not so much... until recently..
 

A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
“This kind of puts an official face on discrimination in America against people of a certain class,” Jordan said today from his Waterford home. “I maintain you have no more control over your basic intelligence than your eye color or your gender or anything else.”
He said he does not plan to take any further legal action.
Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average.
Jordan alleged his rejection from the police force was discrimination. He sued the city, saying his civil rights were violated because he was denied equal protection under the law.
But the U.S. District Court found that New London had “shown a rational basis for the policy.” In a ruling dated Aug. 23, the 2nd Circuit agreed. The court said the policy might be unwise but was a rational way to reduce job turnover.
Jordan has worked as a prison guard since he took the test.
 
Looks like he was bound and determined to do nothing useful with his big brain. Maybe having power over people got him off? I wonder what else they gleaned from his test?
 
Looks like he was bound and determined to do nothing useful with his big brain. Maybe having power over people got him off? I wonder what else they gleaned from his test?


Maybe he wanted to use his big brain to get to the top to make positive changes.
 
I'm not sure what more can be said about police shootings than has already been said. I guess I would have to put myself in a cop's position to understand what happened. The New Orleans guy had allegedly already threatened someone with his gun (later we found out that it was because someone tried to steal from him). But cops arrive on the scene and only see one thing: a (black) guy with a gun resisting arrest. How would you react?

In Minnesota I got the impression that the cop was a basket case, petrified with fear. The worst kind of cop to run into. He should never have been a cop. I have seen other vids of cops like this too.

As for Texas well, it was bound to happen. I kept thinking after each shooting and the playing up of it in the media that some indignant loon is going to wipe out a bunch of cops. Well here we are. Probably won't be the last time. Now everything's going to get worse.

U.S.A. Everyone down there needs to just calm down.
 
Maybe he wanted to use his big brain to get to the top to make positive changes.

That's possible, some people do their best work in institutions. Or maybe he deemed the private sector too cut throat.
 
It's interesting that you mention suits. Would Trayvon Martin be alive today if he was wearing a jacket and tie instead of a hoodie?

I wonder if they keep stats on the dress codes of victims.

Can't tell you, but clothes affect first impressions. Years ago a fried went to buy a jeep from the dealership, cash in hand. Was day off so he was wearing scruffy clothes and hadn't bothered shaving. Salesman wouldn't give him time of day or let him take it out for test ride. Tune changed when the sales manager saw the bag of $ but at that point my friend was miffed and headed to a different dealer who did let him take the TJ out for a spin.
 
Can't tell you, but clothes affect first impressions. Years ago a fried went to buy a jeep from the dealership, cash in hand. Was day off so he was wearing scruffy clothes and hadn't bothered shaving. Salesman wouldn't give him time of day or let him take it out for test ride. Tune changed when the sales manager saw the bag of $ but at that point my friend was miffed and headed to a different dealer who did let him take the TJ out for a spin.

Been on the other end of that when I was a salesman at Jag...guy comes in scruffy looking, dirty clothes, ripped jeans, and socks and loud kids. Other guys didn't want the 'up' so they gave him to me. Talked, guy knows his stuff, ****** Vette for trade-in (5k or so) and we go for a ride.
We come back, he pays cash, and then send a 2 page letter to my boss that I was the first salesman that treated him normally due to his 'casual clothing'. Never been happier making the sale!

Anyway back on track, it's nuts what's going on and I hope we don't see the doom and gloom mentality of 'civil' war going on up here, but I can only see it spiralling out of control now South of the border. People are fed up, and the police is going to have a harder fight ahead of them in the form of public image and community relations.
 
How is it possible to fix police/public relations when every citizen is seen first as a potential deadly threat? Making crime illegal would solve half the problem and encouraging everybody carry guns would solve the other half. Then the police could concentrate on the whack jobs.
 
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