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canuckwr250 said:
I got my M in 74 at the Warden & Eglington office,still did a road test.First I was made to go thru some pylons stop on a line explained a few controls,then they watched me go up Warden turn around and come back.Paid my $3.00 and got my temporary licence.
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Did mine there too. Rode around pylons, emergency stop, put bike on center stand. Told me to go out to warden turn left, go to next lights turn right, turn around and come back. Said OK and off I went. Instructor ran along side of me to exit where he proceeded to the edge of the road to watch me. Of course he was huffing and puffing like mad from his little jog. Returned and he said go get your license. Oh yes had to use hand signals back then.
When I tell my brother and nephew this over a couple of beers they piss themselves laughing.

When you renewed your license you had to mark what class you had, maybe forgot to include the M
 
So, when did the requirement for a separate motorcycle classification on your license start in Ontario; 1967 - 1969? I believe prior to that, you only needed a "G"drivers license, ownership papers & proof of insurance to ride a motorcycle legally. No courses - no tests.
 
I'm not a youngster myself, but man, you guys are downright ancient!
 
Green Meenie said:
So, when did the requirement for a separate motorcycle classification on your license start in Ontario; 1967 - 1969? I believe prior to that, you only needed a "G"drivers license, ownership papers & proof of insurance to ride a motorcycle legally. No courses - no tests.
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I'm pretty sure insurance wasn't required back then(67-69) I started riding in '77 without m/c license and using "uninsured motor vehicle fee" or commonly known as " hit me insurance", it was $25/yr and license plates could be bought without operators permit or safety check(almost sure about that) It was a different era that's for sure. Also, kids these days^:rolleyes:

re: hit me insurance, I know one guy who had a train wreck of a car wreck...judgement against him was $15,000 which at the time was an unfathomable amount of money and kept him off the road probably a decade....
 
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hedo2002 said:
You said you haven't rode "in years" has it been more than ten years? The other "scenario" is you had a full M but never bothered having it remain on your licence, if it has been more than 10 years since it was last was last active, then you also have to revert to the graduated system, and begin as an M1 rider.
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Great explanation Hedo. How can your M disappear? Do you mean if you were without an ontario drivers license for 10 years? How does the MTO know if you are using your M or not (you could be borrowing or renting bikes but not have one registered in your name)? I have never heard of this disappearing classification.
 
I am going to chime in on this one. Took the course at Humber in 1980, class work on Friday evening and show your learners permit. Riding all day Saturday and Sunday morning. After lunch on Sunday was the practical test for by same instructors in the parking lot. Pass it and you get the M. I did, barely, and the M is still on my license. I did stop riding for 30 years and it is still there.

Gerry
 
Look there is no way or reason to remove the motorcycle endorsement from your licence, you would have to actually go to the MTO and ask to remove it. You have had to a road test for your motorcycle endorsement since at least 1970. So you never actually had a motorcycle endorsement on your licence, and were just lucky you didn't get caught. There is no requirement to have a valid licence to buy a motorcycle, I'm not sure how you got insurance, but it would have been worthless without a valid licence. Basically you are starting over from zero. Good luck.
 
GreyGhost said:
Great explanation Hedo. How can your M disappear? Do you mean if you were without an ontario drivers license for 10 years? How does the MTO know if you are using your M or not (you could be borrowing or renting bikes but not have one registered in your name)? I have never heard of this disappearing classification.
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Some clerks will ask if your still riding if you say no, and don't pay attention when you get renewal the clerk will have just given you class G. It "technically" isn't a clerical error. I make sure whenever I do a renewal to check both classes are on there. Once the M class has been "removed" from your licence if you don't have it reinstated within 10 years then you back as an M1 should you want it back. I know a fellow who at some point in his life couldn't see himself riding again so when asked he said no I only need the G, then 20 something years later he decided to start riding again he just got his full M back after doing the whole graduated licence,
 
If that happened to me is kick up a freakin storm about it.

On on a class of licence that requires regular testing or recertification (Like my class A) that sort of thing would be expected if you don't maintain it, but an M is supposed to be forever so long as you actually maintain your licence as a whole.

If I don't go for my medical and retests when I'm supposed to my class A gets demoted to a D, but no such requirements exist for an M so it should never go away.
 
hedo2002 said:
Some clerks will ask if your still riding if you say no, and don't pay attention when you get renewal the clerk will have just given you class G. It "technically" isn't a clerical error. I make sure whenever I do a renewal to check both classes are on there. Once the M class has been "removed" from your licence if you don't have it reinstated within 10 years then you back as an M1 should you want it back. I know a fellow who at some point in his life couldn't see himself riding again so when asked he said no I only need the G, then 20 something years later he decided to start riding again he just got his full M back after doing the whole graduated licence,
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since 1980 this has never happened to me....don't believe it...who has it ever happened to? and who in their right mind would answer "no i don't need it anymore, only need the G"...i don't believe the "guy you knew" ever had his licence
 
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Where's the OP in all this ? What's he going to do ? Did you get it resolved ?
 
Mistakes with licenses classes and endorsements DO happen. The droids that work at the drivetest centers have carte-Blanche with your licence on their computer screens and a typo or stupid mistake can muck things up. I know a fellow driver who had his Z endorsement (air brakes) disappear once at his 5 year medical/renewal. The Z endorsement, like the M class, is forever - it should never go away so long as you still have a licence.
 
Pasty said:
Thank you for the comprehensive reply. I appreciate it.

I want to add something to those who, with best intentions, maintain a "road test" was required and which I never did.

After I did the written test, I started riding. I rode for more than 365 days. I was pulled over multiple times by the police and NEVER did they tell me my "temp" license was invalid. Also, how was I able to obtain motorcycle insurance on FOUR different bike? The first thing you provide an insurance company is your driver's license. Wouldn't they look to see, among other things, that you were legal to drive a motorcycle? It defies logic and reason that I was driving illegally for over 10 years.

I did get a DUI and lost my license for 13 months. After that I wasn't riding a bike, just driving. So I never looked at my license for the "M" designation. Is it possible when they reinstated my license they neglected to put the "M" back?

I'm not a knucklehead. I play by the rules (and when I don't I pay the price.) But this just doesn't pass the sniff test. Everything I've said is accurate.
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losing your licence for dui is the most likely reason you lost your M if you had it all. Road test is required for an M.
 
What makes no sense is that the "clerk" would have to initiate some kind of a process to eliminate the M endorsement. All the many, many times I have renewed my licence I have never been asked if I wanted to continue, delete etc. my M endorsement from my licence. It doesn't save you any money just would require the clerk to remove it, which I would be surprised if the counter clerk even has the authority to do that. So this guy never had a M licence, plain and simple.
 
From when I've seen and gathered there is no procedure, just a mouse click or two at most. My class A license was automatically demoted to a class D about 10 years ago because I didn't get my five-year medical submitted quite in time. When I went to the office with it and tender did at the desk, after entering my drivers license number to access my licence... there was one single mouse click and she said I had a class A again.

However I think we're going in circles until the OP responds. I'd have to agree that it seems that the OP probably never actually had the full class M license, however I also understand how easily it could be accidentally removed had he actually had it
 
GreyGhost said:
Great explanation Hedo. How can your M disappear? Do you mean if you were without an ontario drivers license for 10 years? How does the MTO know if you are using your M or not (you could be borrowing or renting bikes but not have one registered in your name)? I have never heard of this disappearing classification.
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It doesn't. My dad got his license in the 70's and gave up biking in the early 80's when he started his family. Got back into when I did in 2000. Never lost his motorcycle license.
 
You don't actually "loose it" and it wont disappear. It could be as simple as him never having it i.e. a 365 learners permit. As indicated above a clerical error that was never caught. Or as we had to do back in the day, fill out your renewal they sent you. Back then you had to mark in your class of license. If you were not thinking much about it and only marked G well.... away went your M. I almost did it without thinking. I had not been riding for years and almost forgot to mark GM on the card. Would not have noticed it probably until I went to purchase a bike.I have had mine since the 70's, had a DUI, and still have it.
 
This is impossible just ask boyoboy... he doesn't believe it...lmao

PhatBastard said:
You don't actually "loose it" and it wont disappear. It could be as simple as him never having it i.e. a 365 learners permit. As indicated above a clerical error that was never caught. Or as we had to do back in the day, fill out your renewal they sent you. Back then you had to mark in your class of license. If you were not thinking much about it and only marked G well.... away went your M. I almost did it without thinking. I had not been riding for years and almost forgot to mark GM on the card. Would not have noticed it probably until I went to purchase a bike.I have had mine since the 70's, had a DUI, and still have it.
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Lightcycle said:
OP didn't like any of your answers.
OP has left the building.
OP has also left behind a Legacy thread . . .
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I think the OP was just a patsy.

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