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jc100 said:
Is.....this.......because he's black?
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Ah, the race card......

Some like him because of his color and others don't.

Opinion column on that topic:

No, Mr. Obama, we don’t dislike you because you’re black

America, we have an egotistical, delusional president. He has convinced himself that he is disliked by many Americans because he is black. He has convinced many of the brain-dead LIVs too.

In a lengthy interview with New Yorker magazine editor David Remnick, the president tells him, "There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black president. Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black president."

President Obama’s approval rating has fallen badly in the national polls. His ratings are historically low. The second lowest in modern history at this point of a presidency. Lower than Bush. Lower than everyone but Richard Nixon.

Here come the excuses. Obama desperately wants to believe it’s all because he’s black. Because if he didn’t have that excuse, it would have to be based on his performance.

When Obama blames "some folks" for not liking him because he's black, he refers to conservatives and white Americans. I’m an unapologetic member of both groups.

It’s an interesting excuse.

If we disliked him for the color of his skin, that would excuse his failed performance as president. How convenient. That would excuse everything he’s done to damage or destroy American exceptionalism, capitalism, and the U.S. economy.

If this was about race, it would excuse his dismantling of the economy. It would excuse the 92 million working-age Americans not in the workforce.

It would excuse all-time record lows for workforce participation. It would excuse tens of thousands, and in some cases, hundreds of thousands of Americans dropping out of the workforce every month.

It would excuse the fact that only crummy, crappy, low-wage part-time jobs are being created because of Obama’s policies.

If this was about race, it would excuse Obama taking the formerly greatest health care system in the world and plunging it into crisis and confusion.

It would distract us from seeing his failed ObamaCare web site that cost hundreds of millions of dollars.

Or his blatant lies about keeping our health insurance if we like it. Or his lies about the middle class not being taxed to pay for 30 million new patients.

Or his lies about the quality of care remaining the same, even though we’ve added 30 million new patients, with no new doctors.

Or his lies about prices going down, while our rates are going through the roof, and his own IRS predicts health insurance will cost the average family a staggering $20,000 per year by 2016.

If this was about race, it would excuse his lies about wanting to create jobs for middle class Americans while he’s made conscious decisions to hire foreign companies (who rely on cheap foreign labor) to build and fix the defective ObamaCare website.

If this was about race, it would excuse his never ending spending and debt.

Or the damage he’s done to middle class Americans -- the doubling of gas prices, the all-time record highs for electricity, the jobs he’s destroyed by not approving oil drilling, or fracking, or the Keystone Pipeline.

Or using the EPA to try to put coal industry completely out of business.

It would excuse his using the power of the IRS to persecute Tea Party groups and conservative critics (like me), while allowing the IRS to hand out fraudulent tax refunds to illegal immigrants claiming fake dependents not even living in the United States.

It would excuse four dead American heroes in Benghazi, a refusal to send help while they were fighting for their lives, and a blatant cover-up before the election.

But putting all that aside, let me point out a few inconsistencies in Obama’s allegation against conservatives:

First, I don’t dislike Obama. I dislike his beliefs and his policies.

Second, last I checked Obama is not just “black.” He’s half white, born by a white mother, raised by white grandparents.

Third, I’ve been consistent my entire life. I’ve been a true blue conservative patriot since age 3, when I handed out campaign literature for Barry Goldwater, in my father’s arms. I judge people by their political beliefs and policies, not the color of their skin.

At the age of 11, I despised the policies of ultra-leftist Presidential candidate George McGovern. His beliefs and policies were almost identical to Obama’s today. Did I hate white Midwestern men?

In 1980, as a student at Columbia University, I despised the policies of President Jimmy Carter, whose policies were almost identical to Obama’s today. Did I hate white Southern men?

Today, I despise the policies of ultra-leftist politicians like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Do I therefore hate white Mormons and Italians?

Lastly, I can think of many Jewish Democrats whose policies I despise. The first one that comes to mind is Debbie Wasserman Schultz, whose statements often make me physically ill. Does that mean I hate Jews? That’s pretty funny, because I’m Jewish.

In each case a Republican conservative like me despises the political beliefs and policies of people I believe now, or believed back then, to be extreme, radical, socialist, economically ignorant, and damaging to America and capitalism.

No, Mr. Obama, we don’t dislike you because you’re black. But we do despise your policies, your lies, and your destruction of the greatest country, economy and middle class in world history.
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...dislike-because-youre-black/?intcmp=obnetwork
 
Schneller said:
I guess my view on Rob Ford is a bit like Snobike Mike's view on Obama.

But I'm sane.

;)
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Glad your mental health is fine.

Funny, we actually agree that Mr Ford is a nutter. There is in fact a lot of evidence to support it which can be found either on news websites or heaven forbid, google (and even the recently denounced Yahoo).

The topic of this thread is about Obama, and why you like him despite overwhelming evidence of his lies, deceit, and general destroying of the once great US of A. While I have posted numerous sources herein, said information is merely a snippet of the evidence against Mr. Hope and Change.
 
rutakin said:
Seriously??? anyone who quotes/links anything related to fox news is FUBAR!!

that is proof you are a waste of time and space.
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I know, I know, making wild claims that Fox news is garbage and that immediately proves your position.

P.S. Just because the opinion in the opinion column I referenced doesn't fit your worldview doesn't logically follow that there isn't a single thing that Fox news ever reports or references that is accurate.

Would be nice if the Obama supporters would refute (with source, not rhetoric) information provided on the broad and insurmountable damage Obama is doing rather than just spewing vitriol.
 
Snobike Mike, I'm sorry that I can't engage in your discussion very deeply. It's because I'm uneducated about the nitty gritty intricacies about American politics. I approach it with broad strokes and mainly take notice of information that supports my anti-republican/Conservative bias.

Would you mind though, commenting on the information in the graphs on this website which show that Democratic/Liberal states fare better in several important quality of life aspects compared to conservative states? This information is based on fact and is not just an opinion piece like your posts above.

http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2011/03/30/the-conservative-states-of-america/

It supports my belief/bias that conservative governments tend to polarize society into very rich and very poor groups with a diminishing middle class. It contradicts your opinion that it is the Democrats/Liberals that are ruining the US.

basically it says this:

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Schneller said:
Snobike Mike, I'm sorry that I can't engage in your discussion very deeply. It's because I'm uneducated about the nitty gritty intricacies about American politics. I approach it with broad strokes and mainly take notice of information that supports my anti-republican/Conservative bias.

Would you mind though, commenting on the information in the graphs on this website which show that Democratic/Liberal states fare better in several important quality of life aspects compared to conservative states? This information is based on fact and is not just an opinion piece like your posts above.

http://www.creativeclass.com/_v3/creative_class/2011/03/30/the-conservative-states-of-america/

It supports my belief/bias that conservative governments tend to polarize society into very rich and very poor groups with a diminishing middle class. It contradicts your opinion that it is the Democrats/Liberals that are ruining the US.
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I typically avoid political threads, as more often than not, not much 'good' comes out of them. Read your link though and had a chuckle at a typo:
"This obviously poses big challenges for liberals, the Obama admiration and the Democratic Party moving forward."

admiration <> administration
 
Bump for Mike
 
Don't want to start another political thread, but this is an interesting short clip; recent interview.

[video=youtube;Ask57bjVv5Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ask57bjVv5Q[/video]
 
I think this guy is a hero. All that data collecting by the government is too much like 1984. But don't think that a republican president wouldn't do the same and worse.

Mike hasn't addressed the information about the relative prosperity of democratic and republican states yet.
 
Not sure he's a hero....yes the public has a right to know about certain things but the crisis in Ukraine can partially be traced back to Snowden leaking diplomatic discussions that were always meant to be private. Some things should stay secret.
 
Have you got evidence of this, or link to an article that does? Thanks.
 
^ Just in case...someone should also explain what "Reuters" is to Mike. I tried to find an article in "Angry Paranoid White Man Weekly" but there wasn't anything apart from a full issue dedicated to how to wash white tenty head uniforms using gun oil.
 
jc100 said:
^ Just in case...someone should also explain what "Reuters" is to Mike. I tried to find an article in "Angry Paranoid White Man Weekly" but there wasn't anything apart from a full issue dedicated to how to wash white tenty head uniforms using gun oil.
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I see it makes you feel better to name call, but don't worry, I posted a Reuters reference already earlier in this thread.

Cheers.
 
Schneller said:
Mike hasn't addressed the information about the relative prosperity of democratic and republican states yet.
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I'm not a communist, I don't have a problem with income inequality.

Two America's
The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, to obey the law and support themselves and contribute to society, and others don’t. That’s the divide in America. It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country. That’s not invective, that’s truth. And it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display last week as the president said he would pledge the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He notes that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. It was the rationale of thievery.
The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you.

Vote Democrat.

It is the electoral philosophy that gave us Detroit. It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America.
And it conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense. It ends up not being a benefit to the people who support it, but a betrayal. The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them – in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victimhood and anger instead of ability and hope.
The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful – seeks to ignore and cheat the law of choices and consequences. It seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, the variability in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely and responsibility have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure. And success and failure can manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education. You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course, you have them in wedlock and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.

My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome. But, our lives also have had an inequality of effort. Whereas my doctor went to college and then gave the flower of his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice. And our choices led us to different outcomes.

His outcome pays a lot better than mine.
Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth?
No, it means we are both free men.
And in a free society, free choices will lead to different outcomes.

It is not inequality Barack Obama will take away, it is freedom.

The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. And there is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his back side and did nothing.
Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and shortsighted decisions.
Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort. The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.” The progressive movement would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement has replaced effort as the key to upward mobility in American society. Or at least it has if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive and fosters equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas. And their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts. And by the false philosophy that says one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.

What the president offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, he pitted one set of Americans against another. For his own political benefit.

That’s what progressives offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow.
Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Bob Lonsberry
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http://www.lonsberry.com/writings.cfm?story=3651

Ya ya, I'm sure this source isn't approved.
 
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