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    More choice is always good. Granted, it's odd-looking but the same can be said for a LOT of vehicles these days. Nobody studies Greek or Latin anymore, so don't expect classics.
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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I am no fan of that thing at all. Also double everything to service in the front

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    So I did some reading up on this two-wheels-up-front thing.

    Yamaha says it's for extra contact patch so you can attack the twisties without fear of tucking the front while diving into a corner on cold pavement, ice, leaves, pine cones, etc. They say 80% more grip, so not quite double even though it's two wheels. This is because they're running 15" wheels up front, not 17"s, so smaller contact patch per tire.

    It's not meant for beginner riders or those with mobility issues who can't hold up a bike upright, because the Niken will still tip over if you don't have the kickstand down. In fact, reports have it that it is even more unwieldy than a normal motorcycle at slow speeds because of the sheer bulk of the front end.

    It's aimed at the rider who wants more front end grip and feel on corner entry. If you know how to effectively trail-brake on the track, then this motorcycle is aimed at you.

    Interesting. But still butt ugly though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightcycle View Post
    So I did some reading up on this two-wheels-up-front thing.

    Yamaha says it's for extra contact patch so you can attack the twisties without fear of tucking the front while diving into a corner on cold pavement, ice, leaves, pine cones, etc.
    But what's the side effect of that? Normally if the front wheel slides, you fall over. If the rear slides and then grips you get sent to the moon. What happens when the front slides and then grips (especially on something like sand that can easily affect both tires)?.

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    But what's the side effect of that? Normally if the front wheel slides, you fall over. If the rear slides and then grips you get sent to the moon. What happens when the front slides and then grips (especially on something like sand that can easily affect both tires)?.
    Same as a normal motorcycle, I guess. If both tires up front lose traction at the same time, it's going to tuck like a normal bike. If both front tires slide and then grip, it should behave just like a normal motorcycle as well - slight recovery, heavy pucker factor.

    I don't foresee the physics of a lowside/highside changing, you're just going to get more grip up front so the lowside will happen much later than it would than if you only had one tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightcycle View Post
    Same as a normal motorcycle, I guess. If both tires up front lose traction at the same time, it's going to tuck like a normal bike. If both front tires slide and then grip, it should behave just like a normal motorcycle as well - slight recovery, heavy pucker factor.

    I don't foresee the physics of a lowside/highside changing, you're just going to get more grip up front so the lowside will happen much later than it would than if you only had one tire.
    You're quite possibly right, I just wasn't sure if the width upfront was enough to slide for a bit without tucking.

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    YouTube to the rescue!

    Here's a Niken low-siding on wet pavement. It looks like the guy was actively trying to slide all the tires, he fishtails the rear a few times before he loses the front (at around 1:30)


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    Whatever the target market, servicing two pairs of forks will be a nuisance.
    If getting the bike ready and getting around with it means you'd rather take the car? You have the wrong bike.

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