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    Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

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    Is there any manufacturer who hasn't falsified their emissions data?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-44763905

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by roadrash View Post
    Is there any manufacturer who hasn't falsified their emissions data?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-44763905
    Yugo?

    EDIT:
    Maybe not, they were apparently still being produced after emissions controls were required, so they probably cheated too.
    Last edited by GreyGhost; 07-09-2018 at 01:02 PM.

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    I remember the Nissan safety-inspection situation and this one is probably similar.

    Japan has some bizarre legal requirements. My understanding is that in the safety-inspection situation that the article mentioned - Every single car is supposed to be inspected by a qualified person who has to sign off that it conforms to the standards. Every. Single. Car. This is as opposed to the "type approval" process that the rest of the world uses, in which the design is approved, not each individual vehicle (which is simply a duplicate of the design).

    It's a dumb requirement, because no individual, no matter how qualified, is going to know that all the robotic spot welders completed every single weld, all the fasteners were tightened to specs, all the glass is free of defects, etc. It is not even remotely possible to make such an end-of-line inspection. But, that's what the government there requires.

    Obviously, the reality is that the vehicle design is indeed type-approved, then during production a piece of paper is presented to this designated person which relates to a car that is presented in front of them, they sign it, then the next car with the next piece of paper is presented, they sign it, next ... next ... next ... all day.

    Any monkey could do this job when presented in that fashion. But, it had to be done by someone with certain qualifications. That's the thing Nissan wasn't doing. It's basically irrelevant to the real world.

    If you drive a Nissan, I wouldn't concern yourself with this ...

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by roadrash View Post
    Is there any manufacturer who hasn't falsified their emissions data?
    Tesla?

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightcycle View Post
    Tesla?
    Lol true.

    Although their cars have other bigger problems to deal with .. like running people over in AP mode.

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian P View Post
    I remember the Nissan safety-inspection situation and this one is probably similar.

    Japan has some bizarre legal requirements. My understanding is that in the safety-inspection situation that the article mentioned - Every single car is supposed to be inspected by a qualified person who has to sign off that it conforms to the standards. Every. Single. Car. This is as opposed to the "type approval" process that the rest of the world uses, in which the design is approved, not each individual vehicle (which is simply a duplicate of the design).

    It's a dumb requirement, because no individual, no matter how qualified, is going to know that all the robotic spot welders completed every single weld, all the fasteners were tightened to specs, all the glass is free of defects, etc. It is not even remotely possible to make such an end-of-line inspection. But, that's what the government there requires.

    Obviously, the reality is that the vehicle design is indeed type-approved, then during production a piece of paper is presented to this designated person which relates to a car that is presented in front of them, they sign it, then the next car with the next piece of paper is presented, they sign it, next ... next ... next ... all day.

    Any monkey could do this job when presented in that fashion. But, it had to be done by someone with certain qualifications. That's the thing Nissan wasn't doing. It's basically irrelevant to the real world.

    If you drive a Nissan, I wouldn't concern yourself with this ...
    Interesting information. Didn't exactly know how this works

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    shouldn't be that big a deal for Nissan

    unlike VW that actively marketed the TDI as green friendly
    while executing corporate fraud at the highest level

    don't know anyone who decides to buy a Nissan to cut emissions
    fudging the numbers a bit on petrol powered cars is not that big a deal

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Nissan quality has always been atrocious of all the japanese manufacturers

    there is a reason they lost all kinds of money, and Renault had to save them.


    I'm not even sure why Nissan even bothers anymore, thier cars are the dullest most uninspiring and boring cars on the market. Altima and sentra anyone?
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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Nissan has made interesting cars in the past. My dad had a 1970 Datsun 510 once upon a time. Rear wheel drive was standard practice at the time, but 4 wheel independent suspension was not, and that car had it.

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian P View Post
    Nissan has made interesting cars in the past. My dad had a 1970 Datsun 510 once upon a time. Rear wheel drive was standard practice at the time, but 4 wheel independent suspension was not, and that car had it.
    oh, lets get something straight, the old Nissans were good. even the late 80s and early 90s were good too. their upper end vehicles were very good and solidly built (maxima and hardbody trucks) . I'd say almost bullet proof even, esp their engines.

    tha maxima won 10 Best cars of the year award. it really was a nice car for its time.


    around 2000s they started going down hill and ever since.... I like my jap brands, but wouldn't touch a current Nissan.
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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by SunnY S View Post
    thier cars are the dullest most uninspiring and boring cars on the market. Altima and sentra anyone?
    ohhh - GT-R?? Skyline?? i dunno....


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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    I had a first gen Titan
    the 5.8 V8 was a badass MF of an engine
    had a 6,000 # travel trailer that towed like nothing
    really was a great truck, extremely comfortable

    can't say any of their cars have interested me

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan



    Oh baby!

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Underdog View Post
    ohhh - GT-R?? Skyline?? i dunno....


    Yes, all 3 of them sold are very nice.
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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    I'm all for Green tech.. but when every major manufacturer is cheating it just tells you that the rules are either 1) too stringent or 2) the enforcement of said rules are too lax.

    I'm inclined to believe it's #1. Think the US EPA is on a similar mindset.

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    Re: Nissan admits falsifying emissions tests in Japan

    Is every manufacturer cheating?
    Ignorance is curable, Apathy not so much, but I don't care, I'll try anyway.

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