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Liberal government plans to block pirate sites
- Thread starter Roadghost
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Did I say the government asked? Did you just say that the government was involved, however little it was? Just admit you're wrong.
Because he wants to talk about issues, rather than gossip about other people?
Serenity now.
My comments are to the original post, and my response is factually based around such - Neither Trudeau nor the Liberal party had anything to do with it. The end. The rest is splitting hairs
You just finished quoting me.
Well, it does take a big man to admit that he's wrong. Sorry.
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That's what you really think this was about,eh? ... after linking an issue to Liberals with no basis whatsoever. Waiting for the same crowd to admit that his team are no angels ... or maybe we should just play by the same rules and create a post linking PC to something, to keep it even??
Yes, when fake news are brought up and presented as facts, what do you want to do? Award the author with applause?
Nothing personal, perhaps we are looking at this from different perspectives, but there's one thing in politics that really burns my ***, and just blindly blaming everything on the government if there's even a razor thin attachment...without bothering to actually fact check and see if the claim even remotely holds true.
This is a great example of such. Just blindly blame the government (even narrowing it down to the PM and his party specifically) even though the government's only involvement is either deciding to consider the proposal by a bunch of businesses, or tell them to get lost. And it'll likely end up being the latter decision as the CRTC is thankfully very strong on net neutrality here, which these proposals would severely undermine.
This was so common in the Obama government era that it actually spawned a "Thanks, Obama!" meme that became everyone's comedy gold...because it got to the point where everything was his fault to some people.
Car won't start? Thanks, Obama!
The server at the restaurant was rude? Thanks, Obama!
It's raining outside? Thanks, Obama!
Don't let any of this be mistaken for any level of support for the Federal Liberals or Trudeau (I voted for neither), but regardless, I will not blame people for things they didn't actually do.
Roadghost
Well-known member
LOL. Well I have to admit, I was stirring the pot a bit with the liberals here (and you can tell by the way their noses are out of joint that's what they are) using that characterization. Currently the biggest complainants in this play however - Bell, CBC, ACTRA et al. - are historically Liberal Party supporters. That could be coincidence though. Regardless, the CRTC, made up of appointed political stooges by the current government to impartially oversee complaints will hear the case. Since this has to do with piracy and not necessarily political lobbying on Facebook, I'm hopeful the complaint will be rejected. But before you get completely upset about this latest post, please stick to the issue at hand. If you want the CRTC to reject the demand to have pirate sites blocked sign the petition.
^^ Next time you furiously backup like that, can you at least make that beeping noise?
[video=youtube;PXlcjXQVY0w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlcjXQVY0w[/video]
[video=youtube;PXlcjXQVY0w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlcjXQVY0w[/video]
Mad Mike
Well-known member
I'm with you on this one. Gov't is the mailbox for an industry complaint - nothing more.
Now, the true test is whether CRTC picks up a torch and joins the Bell/Rogers cartel. Should that happen, we have a political conspiracy and a different discussion.
Roadghost
Well-known member
Here's another good example of Bell and the Liberal Party.
http://www.canadalandshow.com/are-liberals-about-give-bell-monopoly-internet-access/
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/24/liberal-party-cozy-relationship-bell_n_9541032.html
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/donations-to-liberals-hit-159-million/article4137325/
Not saying there's anything corrupt going on. We'll see.
http://www.canadalandshow.com/are-liberals-about-give-bell-monopoly-internet-access/
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/03/24/liberal-party-cozy-relationship-bell_n_9541032.html
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/donations-to-liberals-hit-159-million/article4137325/
Not saying there's anything corrupt going on. We'll see.
You don’t think Bell lobbied the cons just as much? This is more about ensuring the CRTC work for the people's interests instead of working for the media companies. My feeling is they have been playing both sides, looking the other way in recent years with the copywrite issue while the big telecoms companies ensured true competition never really entered into the wireless market ensuring that you and I pay some of the highest rates in the world for mobile telecoms. Now that telecoms are losing market share on the cable/satellite TV front they are whining harder about the copywrite issue while simultaneously raising prices across the board for Home internet. These guys don’t just want their cake and to eat it, they want to own the ****ing bakeries and the flour mills and sell ovens.
Type17
Well-known member
It's not gossip if I'm upfront about thinking he's off his meds. I mean, you guys can hop up and down to defend him to your hearts desire, the fact of the matter is the guy didn't even read the article but he was very happy to opine on something he has 0 understanding of and just mindlessly push some conspiracy theory linked to Liberals. I'd have assumed it's low level trolling if he didn't do it in literally every thread and wasn't compelled to turn every topic, even those that don't mention political parties, into an opportunity to bash either the government or the segment of the population that voted for them.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Bell, Telus, Shaw and Rogers are in cahoots with the CRTC and the ruling party - always and since the beginning of time.
The relationship is symbiotic and they hold each other hostage. Nobody in the clique wants to see truly unregulated services, the cartel trades universal access (read subsidies for rural and remote Canada) for competition restrictions in profitable markets. Not much more than that when it comes to telephone, internet and TV.
Exactly. And the cons at the time were not afraid to occasionally tell them to get stuffed then, as well.
I can post plenty more examples for those who want to forget history.
That tells me that you are either disinterested in facts on that topic, or are blindly ignoring them.
The CRTC has done a LOT of things in the last 2-3 years that have royally ****** off the likes of many companies that operate under them.
CRTC orders wireless carriers to offer cheaper data-only plans
http://obj.ca/article/crtc-orders-national-wireless-carriers-offer-lower-priced-data-only-plans
CRTC was instrumental in banning unlock fees last year:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...locking-fees-for-smartphones/article35315130/
The CRTC stood very strongly in support of net neutrality, which without, would have yielded a big win on the profit front for the Big3 telecommunication companies here:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/c...cision-videtron-net-neutrality-2017-1.4077717
They slapped Bell for not offering the television pick and pay options they mandated:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-bell-tv-pick-and-pay-25-basic-1.4146531
The CRTC banned abusive 3 year cellphone contracts and introduced a wireless code to protect consumers even more:
http://business.financialpost.com/t...-updated-wireless-code-goes-into-effect-dec-1
They said that Bell couldn't superimpose their commercials over someone else's broadcast during the superbowl:
http://business.financialpost.com/t...ay-from-local-super-bowl-broadcasts-bell-says
The CRTC banned 30 day notice requirements for cancelling TV, cellular, telephone etc services that often resulted in consumers paying for two services at once when switching:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-bans-30-day-notice-for-cancelling-tv-phone-internet-1.2826054
The CRTC mandated unlimited internet plans and easy to understand bills:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/12/21/crtc-unlimited-internet_n_13775040.html
They stopped the Big3 cellphone carriers from gobbling up spectrum only to sit on it and not use it while new cellphone carrier entrances like Freedom suffered as a result. The end result has been better competition in the cellphone industry, and better competition means lower prices.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...unding-for-nunavut-broadband/article36272360/
I can keep going, I think I've only touched on about the last 18-24 months here....
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Mad Mike
Well-known member
I didn't say the CRTC is all bad. These are known in telecom and media as 'small potato issues', ones that keep suppliers in line with Canadian competition and anti trust laws. The big ones are related to new entrants that could challenge the existing triopoly.
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