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Another truck safety blitz with 50% pulled off the road

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It seems like every blitz has 25 to 50% taken off the road. With rates this high, obviously the current system isn't working and there needs to be a fundamental change in our treatment of commercial vehicles.

18,000 kg overweight isn't an accident, the fine should be adjusted to account for the clear intent to violate the law (and ruin the roads). Something in the order of $100,000 should stop the behaviour quickly (at the very least the ones that get caught may be off the road due to inability to pay the fine).

I know in the past, some of the deficiencies identified during inspections I would consider not very important. From our truck driving friends (@privatepilot), is this still the case, or are many of these charges legitimate safety issues?

On similar lines, another tractor trailer failed to slow for construction on the 401 again this morning and caused another fatal crash. Any ideas on how to solve this one? I doubt automated braking will help much as if you are only looking at the vehicle directly in front, I doubt a truck has enough brakes to avoid the crash. Lots of charges dished out yesterday to a couple Brampton and a Scarborough truck driver for previous fatal crashes, but it would better if we could prevent them. Are all driver logs electronic now? Could logging requirements be updated to require an explanation when you slam on the brakes (or mandatory dash cams that trigger when you hit the brakes hard)? Most drivers looking far ahead shouldn't have to slam on the brakes often. There are times where it is required, but the intent wouldn't be to penalize drivers for a specific close call, rather to try to identify drivers that were having statistically more close calls and correct the behaviour prior to actually causing a wreck.

https://www.yorkregion.com/news-sto...ted-taken-off-roads-in-bradford-police-blitz/

A recent motor vehicle blitz saw several trucks taken off the roads in Bradford.

South Simcoe Police, partnered with York Regional Police, Ontario Provincial Police, and the Ministry of Transportation Enforcement Unit, completed a commercial motor vehicle blitz in Bradford Oct. 26. Twelve officers from the four agencies inspected 31 commercial vehicles.

Of those, 16 — 52 per cent — were taken off the roads due to mechanical and safety concerns. While many of the defects were repaired during the day, seven trucks had to be towed away because of irreparable mechanical defects.

In one case, a vehicle was 18,000 kilograms overweight, the fine for which is $5,000.

Police also stopped two commercial vehicles operated by drivers who had been suspended. They were charged with driving while under suspension and will appear in court next month.

Thirty charges in total were issued to drivers, including insecure loads, improper tires, overweight vehicles, improper braking systems, and documentation violations.
 
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I think that the approach is to tag violations to the CVOR with a suspension of operations if the violations stack up.

Perhaps the corporation then folds and starts anew under a new #. Possible that the people are tracked so this may not happen.

Maybe the 18,000kg overweight was a metric/imperial error? Joe Bass - does this happen in your shop?
 
I work for a concrete company driving a ready mix truck. I was working out of our Bradford plant during yesterday's blitz. Myself and two of our other drivers were pulled in for inspection, happy to report not a single violation with any of our trucks. Mind you our company has a full shop/mechanics on duty 18 hours a day.
They were also checking contractors with pickup and trailer combos. They weren't fairing well at the inspection site. It's not all heavy trucks that are the problem.

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I work for a concrete company driving a ready mix truck. I was working out of our Bradford plant during yesterday's blitz. Myself and two of our other drivers were pulled in for inspection, happy to report not a single violation with any of our trucks. Mind you our company has a full shop/mechanics on duty 18 hours a day.
They were also checking contractors with pickup and trailer combos. They weren't fairing well at the inspection site. It's not all heavy trucks that are the problem.

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Thanks for the info Iceman. It's good to see commercial pickups getting a look too. I was doing a job near a hot-mix asphalt plant yesterday and saw more than a few pickups pulling tandem trailers come out looking a little heavy.

I agree, the problem isn't isolated to heavy trucks. Any vehicle has the potential to have maintenance pushed back or exceeding its' capacity. Obviously this is worse for commercial vehicles and increases in effect as the vehicle weight grows.

How do they deal with concrete trucks? Aren't you on a pretty tight timeline to get to a site? Do they give you a quick once over and make you report for a thorough inspection if they find something slightly concerning?
 
Although I'm all for inspections these sorts of blitzes tend to give the public a badly skewed perception of the industry as a whole, since these are highly targeted often picking on vehicles that look unsafe to begin with. Not surprising when you pick 100 junkers to inspect, a good portion of them will fail – if you picked 100 totally at random numbers would be significantly different. The industry as a whole is safe, but there are certainly problems especially in the GTA.

Now, that having been said, I am not about to defend the industry at large despite the fact that I work in it – there are a lot of absolutely disgusting junk companies out there running garbage on the roads, however there's a lot of underlying reasons for it - lack of adequate oversight on behalf of the government, and deregulation led to a race to the bottom on rates that has left many bottom feeder companies operating on margins so slim that maintenance and safety simply can't be afforded anymore. This is a massive problem in the aggregate hauling industry as well, which is why I'm never surprised to see a large percentage of these infractions and out of service orders against gravel trucks.

Sadly shippers are significantly at fault for this as well because the almighty dollar is All many of them care about anymore – the cheaper they can find somebody to haul their freight the better. Excellent companies like mine don't come cheap and we routinely lose business to bottom feeder companies who cut corners everywhere possible to be able to Drastically undercut us to the point where we would lose money hauling their freight. As long as shippers are complicit in keeping these sorts of junk companies busy, these problems will only get worse.
 
As long as shippers are complicit in keeping these sorts of junk companies busy, these problems will only get worse.

I agree, but sadly convincing someone to pay more to use a safe company is always a hard sell. If they can create a plausible argument for the cheap company (eg. they were insured and said they operate in compliance with all applicable laws, regulations etc), that is normally enough for most people to sign up and keep the money for themselves.

I think the only real solution is to drive the really terrible operators out of the game (maybe through large fines and equipment seizure until fines are paid?). As the bottom feeders drop out because it's not worth the risk anymore, average shipping rates have to rise to be able to accomodate the overhead required for safe commercial operation. Yes, it will be a painful transition period, but at the end we should have a system that is better for all businesses that try to operate ethically. Also this system doesn't affect operators doing things properly much as they should have no problems with inspections. I never like new systems that increase overhead on good operators to further widen the gap between those that follow the rules and those that ignore them.

I agree, the percentage is skewed if they are picking and choosing who to inspect. I was thinking this was like a ride check where every truck passing got a look.
 
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I agree, but sadly convincing someone to pay more to use a safe company is always a hard sell. If they can create a plausible argument for the cheap company (eg. they were insured and said they operate in compliance with all applicable laws, regulations etc), that is normally enough for most people to sign up and keep the money for themselves.

I think the only real solution is to drive the really terrible operators out of the game (maybe through large fines and equipment seizure until fines are paid?). As the bottom feeders drop out because it's not worth the risk anymore, average shipping rates have to rise to be able to accomodate the overhead required for safe commercial operation. Yes, it will be a painful transition period, but at the end we should have a system that is better for all businesses that try to operate ethically. Also this system doesn't affect operators doing things properly much as they should have no problems with inspections. I never like new systems that increase overhead on good operators to further widen the gap between those that follow the rules and those that ignore them.

I agree, the percentage is skewed if they are picking and choosing who to inspect. I was thinking this was like a ride check where every truck passing got a look.
The mto was setup in the arena parking lot and they had 7 opp out in the area handpicking trucks and escorting them to the inspection site.
Generally speaking we have 3 hours to get the concrete off the truck. They had a quick, but thorough look at our trucks and we were on our way. Had they been concerned we wouldn't have been leaving, concrete or not.

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The mto was setup in the arena parking lot and they had 7 opp out in the area handpicking trucks and escorting them to the inspection site.
Generally speaking we have 3 hours to get the concrete off the truck. They had a quick, but thorough look at our trucks and we were on our way. Had they been concerned we wouldn't have been leaving, concrete or not.

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I've heard that it's easy to get solid concrete out of a truck.
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Would love to see fewer trucks on the road, period.

BTW, not interested in litigating this again (PP...), I'm simply saying I would prefer to see fewer of those death machines on the road and a return to more sane methods of moving freight and people.

Since that isn't going to happen for any number of reasons, a fallback position would be less "blitzes" and more "everyday" enforcement of safety and practices (and that applies to cagers that do stupid **** in front of rigs as much as rigs themselves...)
 
Generally speaking we have 3 hours to get the concrete off the truck.

Thanks for the info Iceman. Since they were picking their targets, that definitely skews the results.

What is the protocol if you are delayed (eg stuck on a closed 401?) Do you let it go hard in the drum and minimum wage it out (or throw out the drum) or dump it on a tarp at the side of the road and a cleanup crew comes to deal with it when road opens? I am assuming that if you got stuck at an inspection, the company could send another truck and transfer the load across.
 
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Would love to see fewer trucks on the road, period.

BTW, not interested in litigating this again (PP...), I'm simply saying I would prefer to see fewer of those death machines on the road and a return to more sane methods of moving freight and people.

Big uproar right now in GTA over trains. Metrolinx keeps using more and more track so there is a report out that the cheapest option for freight is consolidation on CN tracks. This roughly doubles the freight volume. Understandably nearby residents are not happy about this approach.
 
Big uproar right now in GTA over trains. Metrolinx keeps using more and more track so there is a report out that the cheapest option for freight is consolidation on CN tracks. This roughly doubles the freight volume. Understandably nearby residents are not happy about this approach.

People always need something to complain about.
 
This just brings to mind the truck I saw this week that had the Ben Hur lug nut extensions on the front wheels, was wondering how that would have fared at an inspection station
 
Big uproar right now in GTA over trains. Metrolinx keeps using more and more track so there is a report out that the cheapest option for freight is consolidation on CN tracks. This roughly doubles the freight volume. Understandably nearby residents are not happy about this approach.

Yep. Just one of myriad reasons this won't work, at least not in the short run. Governmental "green" policies might look to further reduce CO2 emissions by encouraging the development of rail transport to reduce heavy truck counts on the highways but it won't have legs as long as industry relies so heavily on JIT inventory and NIMBYs and aboriginals (etc) prevent the meaningful rehabilitation of the rail network in southern Ontario.
 
Thanks for the info Iceman. Since they were picking their targets, that definitely skews the results.

What is the protocol if you are delayed (eg stuck on a closed 401?) Do you let it go hard in the drum and minimum wage it out (or throw out the drum) or dump it on a tarp at the side of the road and a cleanup crew comes to deal with it when road opens? I am assuming that if you got stuck at an inspection, the company could send another truck and transfer the load across.
The protocol is you do not allow it to be delayed. We have ways of prolonging the life, but only so much.
We have a truck sitting in the yard waiting for a crane to remove the drum. The driver had a breakdown and it has 8 meters of hard concrete in it. Cheaper to replace it then remove it.
Every meter is about 5000lbs, fully loaded I'm a touch under 100000. So truck maintenance is extremely important!

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I agree, but sadly convincing someone to pay more to use a safe company is always a hard sell. If they can create a plausible argument for the cheap company (eg. they were insured and said they operate in compliance with all applicable laws, regulations etc), that is normally enough for most people to sign up and keep the money for themselves.

The reality is is that there are three types of shippers;

- The ones who don't care about anything so long as their freight gets from A to B. They don't care if the person can barely back the truck into the door when they get there, they don't care if the freight takes three times as long is it supposed to be delivered, and some don't even care if it's banged up when it arrives… As long as it gets there.

- The ones who care more (or a lot) about all of the above, but still care most about paying next to nothing to get their freight moved regardless. They complain loudly when their delivery isn't on time, they rush to file claims when it inevitably arrives damaged, etc.... but they still don't want to pay anything More for better service despite all these problems.

-Lastly there are the shippers that understand that you get what you pay for and they understand the transportation process from start to finish including the reality that more expensive companies have better on time ratios, don't destroy or lose freight, have higher quality long tenure drivers that don't take 30 minutes to back into a dock while their shipper/receiver stands waiting, And actually runs good quality safe modern equipment.

Unfortunately The overwhelming majority of companies out there fall into one of the first two categories when it comes to selecting companies to haul their freight, and the results are predictable.

I think the only real solution is to drive the really terrible operators out of the game

That'd be great but reality is that would take a lot of additional government enforcement effort that simply doest exist right now, and is unlikely ever to without a dramatic shift in policy.

I agree, the percentage is skewed if they are picking and choosing who to inspect. I was thinking this was like a ride check where every truck passing got a look.

Nope, these blitzes are always highly targeted which makes for great sensationalized failure numbers for the media but does not reflect the industry fairly, hence why it irks the **** out of guys like me.
 
There are a fair number of shipments of low-value cargo in which it is virtually certain that the only criteria is how cheaply it can be done. Garbage and scrap metal come to mind. Gravel is probably pretty close. It basically doesn't matter what happens to the shipment or if it gets delayed.

Meanwhile, you have driving schools "Get your truck driving license for only $999" (and IIRC there is a reason why it is below $1000).

It's a race to the bottom, and I think the only way to fix this is to drive the crappy operators out of business, and this goes for both the cheap driving schools and the cheap trucking operators.
 
This just brings to mind the truck I saw this week that had the Ben Hur lug nut extensions on the front wheels, was wondering how that would have fared at an inspection station

Saw a Chevy Cruze with those last week in Milton. I laughed. I cried. I laughed some more.
 
The bargain basement driving school thing was addressed with some drastic reforms that happened earlier this year IIRC - a lot of them went away. That does nothing for the thousands of ****** drivers they put on the road for years and years before that, but much of that fault also lands squarely back on the government again for having such laughable testing standards that these ill educated clowns were able to actually able to get an AZ license regardless.

I've said for decades that the MTO testing for AZ was a joke. Now we are experiencing the results. Saw this coming long ago.
 
Four worst segments of the industry:

- Aggregate/Gravel haulers.
- Can (container) haulers.
- Private broker small truck cartage/contractor that bigger companies farm out work to.
- Small company private fleets, pickup trucks/cube vans/1-tons.

I'd elaborate more on reasons behind each one but typing with only 1 hand is infuriating.
 

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