bigpoppa
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For those looking for places i found many, just have to leave the GTA...i was near shelburne this particular time
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You don't let off throttle when riding in loose sand/dirt on a dirt bike if you're losing traction. You regain traction by increasing the throttle to enable knobbies to get a grip.
On a street bike, with street tires, completely different story obviously. I found that it was counter intuitive to give it gas, but it was what worked, and the instructors from trail tours did tell us we'd have to get away from certain habits we'd built up from street riding.
It's no coincidence that the top riders in the world (motoGP) all train with multiple disciplines, such as flat track, enduro, supermoto, motocross, etc. It all helps with improving bike feel and control.I find all forms of riding help in all forms of riding. Dirt, street, track both pavement and mx, ice, trials, they all teach control over the beast beneath you. A capable rider can get on any motorcycle and feel in complete control.
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It's no coincidence that the top riders in the world (motoGP) all train with multiple disciplines, such as flat track, enduro, supermoto, motocross, etc. It all helps with improving bike feel and control.
biggest issue I've had though , is grabbing too much front brake in the dirt (not a great idea)
I ride both, other than seat time I can't think of much that street riding has contributed to dirt riding and vice versa. Spending a few hours on the road will yeild more valuable experience for street riding than will a few hours on the dirt - and vice versa. When my 250 dirt bike unleashes it's peak WOT 30HP and 20lbs of torque around a loose corner I giggle and drift through, it's hardly scary. That experience isn't worth a bag of hammers when the back tire breaks loose on my SS when it's kicking out 180hp/125lbs of torque. Trust ne, there are no giggles when this happens.
It's true that pro riders often ride across diffferent disciplines. They do this mostly because they are racers and will mount anuthing that races any time -- more for the sport and thrill than for the cross discipline experience.
If you like to ride the roads, you'll get better by focussing on your road skills. If you like the dirt, spend time getting dirty. Don't expect much to be gained by the crossover.
I ride both, other than seat time I can't think of much that street riding has contributed to dirt riding and vice versa. Spending a few hours on the road will yeild more valuable experience for street riding than will a few hours on the dirt - and vice versa. When my 250 dirt bike unleashes it's peak WOT 30HP and 20lbs of torque around a loose corner I giggle and drift through, it's hardly scary. That experience isn't worth a bag of hammers when the back tire breaks loose on my SS when it's kicking out 180hp/125lbs of torque. Trust ne, there are no giggles when this happens.
It's true that pro riders often ride across diffferent disciplines. They do this mostly because they are racers and will mount anuthing that races any time -- more for the sport and thrill than for the cross discipline experience.
If you like to ride the roads, you'll get better by focussing on your road skills. If you like the dirt, spend time getting dirty. Don't expect much to be gained by the crossover.
I read 30 hp is fun, 180 hp scares me. Power sliding a street bike into a power wheelie is a lot of fun. Puts a smile on my face every time. How did I learn to do it? In the dirt.I ride both, other than seat time I can't think of much that street riding has contributed to dirt riding and vice versa. Spending a few hours on the road will yeild more valuable experience for street riding than will a few hours on the dirt - and vice versa. When my 250 dirt bike unleashes it's peak WOT 30HP and 20lbs of torque around a loose corner I giggle and drift through, it's hardly scary. That experience isn't worth a bag of hammers when the back tire breaks loose on my SS when it's kicking out 180hp/125lbs of torque. Trust ne, there are no giggles when this happens.
It's true that pro riders often ride across diffferent disciplines. They do this mostly because they are racers and will mount anuthing that races any time -- more for the sport and thrill than for the cross discipline experience.
If you like to ride the roads, you'll get better by focussing on your road skills. If you like the dirt, spend time getting dirty. Don't expect much to be gained by the crossover.
More like 30 hp is fun, 180hp demands experience and respect. Sure you can be stupid on any bike, but the point of this discussion is what's learned in the crossover. My point is I don't think my time on dirt and ice has transferred much if anything to my road skills, and vice versa. That's my experience over a few decades of riding - maybe i'm just too old to remember if I gained anything from crossover riding. Your experience is different, if it's helping you become a better rider -- that great!I read 30 hp is fun, 180 hp scares me. Power sliding a street bike into a power wheelie is a lot of fun. Puts a smile on my face every time. How did I learn to do it? In the dirt.
More like 30 hp is fun, 180hp demands experience and respect. Sure you can be stupid on any bike, but the point of this discussion is what's learned in the crossover. My point is I don't think my time on dirt and ice has transferred much if anything to my road skills, and vice versa. That's my experience over a few decades of riding - maybe i'm just too old to remember if I gained anything from crossover riding. Your experience is different, if it's helping you become a better rider -- that great!
I'm planning on adding a Super Tenere (my first choice, but could be something similar) to the stable this winter. Perhaps I'll find some meaning/benefit to have ridden both street and dirt next season when I'm pounding fire roads.
Try riding a real dirtbike and see what happens when 55hp/210lbs with traction gets away from you. That bike will yank your arms off just as hard as your SS, trust me.